Posted on Aug 4, 2014
Should Sergeants Major pay grades be commensurate with their positions like Generals?
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General officer ranks are appointments with stars based on their levels of position. We had an O6 go straight to O8 because of the position. To me it makes no sense that this is not the same with our Sergeants Majors. I mean it blows my mind to think that a Battalion S3 SGM is the same pay grade as the Advisor to the Joint Chief of Staff. It seems severely unbalanced. I think the ranks should be much like Generals, i.e. Brigade CSM.
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Advisors to JCoS, and Command Sergeants Major should, in my eyes, be compensated for their positions. I also feel that a First Sergeant should be compensated higher than that of a MSG, as well as a CPL over a SPC. Maybe Big Army could create a special pay for these ranks of a monthly stipend similar to that of Jump Pay. A CPL could receive $50-$100/month, 1SG $100-$250/month, and a CSM $250-$300/month. Something should be done along those lines to provide the leadership position more compensation than those just holding rank.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sounds like your ideas are already being practiced in the Air Force. They pay Commanders and Senior Enlisted in Command positions SDAP.
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I say leave the pay grades, However, I would include some kind of special duty assignment pay to those CSMs that find themselves at echelons above Brigade or perhaps Division.
Thoughts SGM Matthew Quick ?
Thoughts SGM Matthew Quick ?
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CSM nominative positions are already on a different pay scale than CSM that serve at the Brigade level and below.
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Sir, that is incorrect. Nominative Sergeants Major receive SDAP which equates to $75 per star. The only exceptions are the Senior enlisted advisors to the Service Chiefs. They bump into a different pay scale.
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I think overall NCOs need a pay raise all too often in the technical civil side the NCOs can make more money, and this means we lose some of our best and brightest to the private sector. yeah I know no one joins the military to get rich but the gap between NCO and the private sector has gotten too high especially for the technical fields.
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For the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, Chief Master Sergeant of the AF, Sergeant Major of the Army or Marine Corps or Senior Enlisted Advisor of the JCS, basic pay is $7,816.20.
SSgt Gregory Guina Pulled from the 2014 pay chart.
SSgt Gregory Guina Pulled from the 2014 pay chart.
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SSgt Gregory Guina
I was aware of that but I believe there is an SDA pay for Sergeant's Major at a certain level. I want to say working for a LtGen or higher.
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SSgt Gregory Guina the Marine Corps is going away with special duty assignment pay anyways so it really doesn't matter anymore
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I think the question is, should some of this premium be pushed down to the command/fleet/force level?
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I think the paygrade should be all the same, several of you have suggested that they have a special pay and I agree. A Force or Fleet Master Chief has a much larger area of responsibility that a Master Chief who is a CMC or even a SEL. An allowence would make the selection board even more competitive for those Senior Enlisted that aspire to make it to those positions.
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That's the key... Make the positions more desireable for potential NCO's by offering monetary incentive. These positions should be (and are expected to be) more challenging, offer more experience on the senior level, and broaden the scope of the NCO's selected.
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There is no reason why your pay shouldn't be based on your job. I totally think that SGM should have some sort of pay scale based on their jobs not only because its fair but it could make them strive harder to earn better position instead of plateauing and becoming content in the fact that they have max their pay.
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I know that some Sergeants Major in the MC get Special Duty pay just not sure where that starts GySgt (Join to see) do you know. Also we seperate between our E9 ranks and have Master Gunnery Sergeant and Sergeant Major. Sergeants major are the Senior Enlisted Advisor at BN Commander or higher while MGySgts are the duty experts in their field.
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We've had SPCs act as squad leaders in my company at one point and others hold the position of "Shammer." There should be a pay difference there as well.
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