Posted on Jan 11, 2021
SPC July Macias
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During my 2nd Iraq tour, our E7 platoon Sergeant got into a lot of trouble for bringing his own shotgun and AR15. He was removed from our company and we don't know the details of his punishment beyond that. But it got me thinking... Wouldn't it be a good idea to let senior NCO's and officers bring their own personal firearms on deployments? I certainly think so. What are your thoughts?
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SSG Medic Advisor
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You can, just not common. Hell, my current deployment I was authorized personal weapons.
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SPC July Macias
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Really? What kind of unit are you in? What are the requirements for said weapon(s)?
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SPC July Macias - Not some super cool guy secret delta astronaut stuff, but not a conventional unit. There were no requirements on my orders, just stated personally owned firearms are authorized.
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SPC July Macias - I'm sure if I were to try and bring a POW, there would be some information that came from above in regards to requirements.
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I shoot left-handed, so I understand the appeal of employing personally owned weapons. Also, the M9 magazines we were issued in 3rd ID were horribly unreliable.
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SFC Melvin Brandenburg
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As long as in the orders you're good. If not it's bad juju
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Because every weapon and munition we are issued down range is approved under operational law review and we will not have a violation of the law of land warfare. If there is an issue it’s on the government and not you as an individual. You freelance and there are problems.
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SFC Pat Mattson
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Before the First Gulf, when everyone in Germany was deploying their gear went through customs and the local MPs (me and a company of others) combed through the those Bradley’s, M1s, and CONEXa and found a boat load of personal weapons and booze. However, I know a lot got past us. There must have been 20-30 different weapons and maybe different 6 calibers. So the moral of the story is if you can’t get the ammo from supply don’t bring it and don’t get CAUGHT.
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Nah bad idea. Government issued may not always be the best quality wise, but at least the military knows what if anything is wrong with it. POWs can be some 200
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*$200 build that's unreliable and dangerous
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Wayne Soares
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Thanks for the question July
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-Part of it is rooted in the Geneva Convention. Weapons and ammunition must comport to the agreed-upon standard. There’s a reason we don’t use rounds dipped in poison, or triangle-shaped bayonets from the Civil War. If you use only issued weapons, you (and the U.S. Govt) know you’re complying. If you bring your own weapon, we can’t guarantee compliance. You open yourself up to liability (like war crimes), and so does the government.

-The armorers can’t work on your personally-owned weapon. It’s not legal.
-The supply system can’t provide parts for your personally-owned weapon. It’s not legal.
-U.S. law prohibits chambering civilian ammunition into a military weapon (see liability).
-U.S. law prohibits chambering military ammo in your civilian weapon. See liability.

Police are permitted to carry their own weapon, if they choose. But it must be registered in their inventory system to make it legal. They must qualify on it quarterly, like their issue weapons. And if it’s used in a shooting, it may become evidence, and the officer may not get it back for quite some time.

When you carry your personal weapon on deployment, are you prepared to deal with all this?
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As much as I've always wanted to bring my own stuff (man I wanted either my suppressed 5.56 or long barrel 6.8 while over there, 3 new receivers enroute - looking at a .458 SOCOM, 6.5 Creedmoor, and a .227 Wolverine).. I've always been told "if it doesn't say U.S. Govt Colt Hartford, CT" then it's still considered murder rather than just warfare.
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Though there have been many cases of certain let's say non-conventional Army personnel bringing their own upper receivers over to Theater and using them.
The upper is what matters to the ballistics, and the lower is what matters to the govt. Though if it is obviously not a 14" barrel and not factory blued it will bring questions.....and suppressors are also serial numbered so that is a thing as well.

Does it make that much of a difference ...not at all unless you have a VERY factory looking set of match grade stuff AND you are looking to engage outside of 550m. The M4, as much as it hurts to say, is still a very capable weapon, it just requires good maintenance since we haven't gone piston action (god rest the M14 and XM8, both were too good for us!)
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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I served in a time when "Mattel" was stamped on the side of my M16. Humor aside - deploying to a theater with POW's is not a good idea, I have known some who have, but once their ammo ran out ( cannot ship ammo in care packages), they just became curio pieces.
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