Posted on Dec 29, 2015
Should someone be denied a retirement award, after 20 years of service and 4 deployments, because they're flagged for being overweight?
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I would answer the question with a question based on what I have read: Does the following apply? Specifically paragraph b.
3–11. Temporary medical condition
a. All Soldiers found to exceed the allowable body fat standard will have a DA Form 268 initiated and be enrolled
in the ABCP.
b. Soldiers found to have a temporary medical condition that directly causes weight gain or prevents weight or body
fat loss will have up to 6 months from the initial medical evaluation date to undergo treatment to resolve the medical
condition. The medical specialty physician may extend the time period up to 12 months if it is determined more time is
needed to resolve the medical condition. During this time, the Soldier will participate in the ABCP, to include initiation
of a DA Form 268, nutrition counseling, and monthly body fat assessment, but will not be penalized for failing to show
progress. However, if the Soldier meets the body fat standard during this timeframe, he or she will be removed from
the ABCP.
c. The provisions of this paragraph are not applicable to medical conditions or injuries based solely on a prescribed
reduction in physical activity. The inability to exercise does not directly cause weight gain. Health care personnel will
advise Soldiers to modify caloric intake when reduced physical activity is necessary as part of a treatment plan.
d. Once the medical condition is resolved, or 6 months (not to exceed 12 months), whichever occurs first, from the
date of the medical evaluation, and if the Soldier still exceeds the body fat standard, he or she will continue
participating in the ABCP but will be required to show satisfactory progress, as defined in paragraph 3–9b. Health care
providers will forward to the Soldier’s commander an updated memorandum stating the effective date that the Soldier’s
temporary medical condition is resolved.
e. If the Soldier is unable to show satisfactory progress in accordance with paragraph 3–9b, the Soldier will be
subject to separation.
3–11. Temporary medical condition
a. All Soldiers found to exceed the allowable body fat standard will have a DA Form 268 initiated and be enrolled
in the ABCP.
b. Soldiers found to have a temporary medical condition that directly causes weight gain or prevents weight or body
fat loss will have up to 6 months from the initial medical evaluation date to undergo treatment to resolve the medical
condition. The medical specialty physician may extend the time period up to 12 months if it is determined more time is
needed to resolve the medical condition. During this time, the Soldier will participate in the ABCP, to include initiation
of a DA Form 268, nutrition counseling, and monthly body fat assessment, but will not be penalized for failing to show
progress. However, if the Soldier meets the body fat standard during this timeframe, he or she will be removed from
the ABCP.
c. The provisions of this paragraph are not applicable to medical conditions or injuries based solely on a prescribed
reduction in physical activity. The inability to exercise does not directly cause weight gain. Health care personnel will
advise Soldiers to modify caloric intake when reduced physical activity is necessary as part of a treatment plan.
d. Once the medical condition is resolved, or 6 months (not to exceed 12 months), whichever occurs first, from the
date of the medical evaluation, and if the Soldier still exceeds the body fat standard, he or she will continue
participating in the ABCP but will be required to show satisfactory progress, as defined in paragraph 3–9b. Health care
providers will forward to the Soldier’s commander an updated memorandum stating the effective date that the Soldier’s
temporary medical condition is resolved.
e. If the Soldier is unable to show satisfactory progress in accordance with paragraph 3–9b, the Soldier will be
subject to separation.
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I've been reminding soldiers since I was an E5 that maintaining yourself is soldier level. PT can only do so much. It's called discipline
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Can agree with you LT but I hope you or none of your troops ever get injured. In this case we are not talking about a guy sitting around getting drunk and eating donuts. He was injured in the line of duty and the recovery time allotted was not sufficient to bring him back to standards....should it have been, i don't know, we all heal at different levels....a 20-30 year olds bounces back much quicker than a 40 year old does. Bottom line again yes in a black and white world it's on the soldiers....but in the real world we should look at each case individually and make determinations based on progress from a base line not distance to the finish line.
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Injuries are totally different and should be properly documented. I don't think you'd become a senior NCO by shamming
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SrA David Steyer
Sgt Gus Laskaris - I never thought I would agree with you on something but hell froze over and I do. I've seen it too many times.
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Sgt Gus Laskaris - Agree to disagree...Gob bless and I hope you never get injured ..
I believe (by regulation) that being flagged for any reason stops any positive personnel action and a retirement award (or any award) is a positive personnel action. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just that is what I think is still in the ARs?
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Well honestly if your retiring who really cares about another award they dont really help outside of the military so id say screw it and prepare to enjoy civilian life have a plan A B and C when you get out
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I find it really interesting that even after all these years of the OVERWEIGHT soldier, it is still a stigma in the Army. I was in the Army (71-93) when then Chief of Staff, General Rogers, came up with the Hollywood Soldier program. He set standards that made it a crime to be fit, even if you had a few extra pounds and did not pass the then used calipers that pinched your skin to see how much supposed fat you had on your body, then later on they went to the measuring of your upper arm, and neck. I had the fear of being overweight hanging over me for most of my career. I had soldiers that were overweight, and did nothing about it, but I was always conscious of my weight, and kept as close as I could to the standards. I participated in sports, ran when possible, and haunted the gym constantly. But my body type, and fat to muscle ratio made it tough. But, I made it to retirement, and did every job asked of me as well as any Hollywood Soldier. In fact I was a platoon sergeant, NCOIC, and coach in sports on quite a few major military installations serving right along side all of those fit soldiers. I never did agree with the weight program because it did not allow for all of the different body shapes, and sizes. I had a soldier under me who was six foot six, and supposedly overweight, but did not have an ounce of fat on him. The Army succumbed to looks rather than soldiering skills, because I knew quite a few soldiers on the border of being overweight, and they could out soldier any prima donna looking, mamby pamby by the regs Hollywood soldier, and I would go to war with any of them. Not every man/woman can look the part of a slim type soldier, because some of our bodies are just ordinary run of the mill country styles groomed by hard work, and tailored to keep us as healthy as we can be. Just because we don't look like movie stars, does not mean we can't do the job. I did my job for twenty years in the Army, and proud of my accomplishments, and did not expect any medals or fanfare for any of my deeds, just a little respect, and loyalty to the fact I was representing my country to the best of my ability. The Army is the backbone of our services, and when we mess with the standards of our soldiers we had better be sure it is to help them, not hurt them, because they are Americans representing all walks of life, and all parts of the country, so do them right, and make them proud to be Soldiers, not drag them through unnecessary regulations that should have never been instituted. Keep the Army strong, and make it an organization men and women are proud to serve in. We are all Americans, and we all don't look alike so be fair and make the regulations at least reasonable to enforce and maintain, without disrespecting our soldiers who only want to serve. All the services keep us safe, and our way of life is maintained and protected by them. We have asked our services to go out into harms way, and engage any and all forces intent on bringing us down, and whether or not they look like a movie star should not be a criteria to their being the best soldier, sailor, or pilot. They should be proud to serve, and proud to represent their respective service without worrying how they look....
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Once you’re retired, awards are just pretty ribbons that mean nothing in the civilian world. Granted, some awards come with some perks in the civilian world, not all. Just keep your head up as you’re walking out with your DD-214 on hand and a retirement check every month.
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It happens. Sorry it happened to you. I was denied an ets award because I pissed off an E7 who had the ear of the CSM.
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How about pushed out by command by denying you a chance to reenlist at 18 years 11 months of Honorable service because you were flagged because of a back injury that happened on duty? What can I do you get a chance to fulfill the dream of retiring that I had since I first joined.
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I retired a year ago, the SFC and the CW4 that retired before me and myself and a SSG that retired after were denied both a retirement award and retirement ceremony. There is no requirement for you to get a retirement anything.
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