Posted on Nov 1, 2014
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http://www.wfaa.com/story/local/2014/11/01/13811384/

You just can't make this stuff up. After watching the story, what is your reaction? Again like the former Marine who gets banned from his daughter's High School, we seem to be seeing a very aggressive attitude against American Exceptionalism and this is supported by President Obama.

What are your feelings about this and what would be your response?
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1LT Nick Kidwell
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Thinking like a teacher, it sounds like the original intent was a learning experience and cultural awareness, but without fully vetting the lesson as to whether or not it might be misconstrued.

My question is: was the student being required to say the pledge and sing the anthem as though she were ACTUALLY pledging allegiance to and showing patriotism for los Estados Unidos Mexicanos, or was she simply being asked to recite Spanish words that are generally meaningless to an American?
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SGT Michael Glenn
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We need a new president Po1 Foster, one with Military heritage, and one who puts Americans 1st and not every toilet bowl of the world who wishes to flush its refuse on our yards.
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MSgt Kevin Willoughby
MSgt Kevin Willoughby
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Lt. Kidwell, I think I understood that very well, and pointed it out in my reply, with "no matter the intent, it is still a bad choice." Since they are Americans, in an American school, the choice should have been the American Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish, if it is for Spanish class. Still could use anything but something that affirms or supports another nation. We all make mistakes and can do a lot better, but that seems a bit of a stretch. I teach Sunday school to children, and I know what it means to make a lesson plan. I would not use something from a pagan religion, or non Christian teaching for a lesson while teaching a Bible class. If I did that, I would expect to be "demonized" and criticized. I know, two different subjects, but common sense should be applied here. Here's her sign....
Oh, why would it be a down vote to share what I shared? I did not bash her or your comment. Just used common sense to point out fact, as you feel you did.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
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MSgt Kevin Willoughby - And if you read further in this thread, nowhere do I defend the lesson itself. In fact, I stated that I do not agree with the lesson in the slightest. And yet I still insist that to an American kid, the Mexican pledge of allegiance is meaningless words.

As a person who has taught both as a classroom teacher and as a Sunday school teacher, I must take exception to your analogy. While we as Americans would not pledge allegiance to a foreign nation, being asked to do so in a classroom setting is a far cry from a Sunday school teacher teaching a lesson that is not only outside of the bounds of a Christian curriculum, but completely opposite of Christian teaching.

The question remains: was this merely a poorly planned lesson, or was she trying to deliberately indoctrinate kids by having them pledge allegiance to Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos? Many people who read this article are assuming the latter and are going off the deep end. I am assuming the former, and I'm getting flak for it.

Which then brings us to your question on down-votes: you down voted my comment, presumably because you disagreed with it. I simply returned the gesture. If you do not like receiving down-votes, then I suggest you save your own for when someone is being unreasonable and abusive, rather than simply and calmly expressing an opinion.
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1LT Nick Kidwell I appreciate your service to the Military and to the education system and while the Pledge is not binding, it is always and I believe the teacher knew that otherwise she wouldn't have made it hard on the student who refused.
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SFC Mark Merino
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This better be fake news.
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SFC Mark Merino I wish I was president. Anyone acting like an ass gets sent to Mexico where the cartels roam. Maybe then those individuals the blessing it is to be born here.
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SGT Michael Glenn
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My vote is if you cannot or will not speak the English language, get the F**k out of this country, plain and simple, yes its a free country and yes your welcome here...TO BE A FLIPPING AMERICAN!!!! we speak English!!!! I am told all over the world in my travels that it is considered rude to not speak to people (at least try) in their native tongue while visiting or living in that country so why is it you think you can come into this country, drain all our welfare programs,steal from us and then top it off by refusing to learn OUR language!!!!! Buss's and boats as well as plains leave daily to the country of your choice !!!!
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TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn
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Well said!!!
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I am a born and raised Texan but i am hispanic also and i dont agree with pledging allegiance to another flag but the one we swore to protect. And i dont expect my kids to have to when we move back home or there would be hell to pay.
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SPC (Join to see) Thanks for your input!
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SGT Howitzer Section Chief
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I definitely do NOT agree with this! This is the United States of America and our pledge should be the only pledge required to recite. Our country is so worried about political correctness that we are losing our identity...
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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FAT CHANCE!!!

Perhaps a lesson on the Battle of San Jacinto is in order ;)
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SSG V. Michelle Woods The fact that we even have to address this is plain silliness to me and most people here.
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SSgt Rick Gresh
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I agree SSgt Larry Olson. To me this is a complete NON issue. This is America! You want kids to learn and recite the Mexican pledge??? Deport your ass, period.
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SSgt Rick Gresh
SSgt Rick Gresh
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Ok, I don't know how to tag someone in my responses. I'm a noob I guess.
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SSgt Rick Gresh
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Ya wanna throw me a bone and instruct me on how the hell to do this lol?
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Hell no! Texas residents aren't part of mexico. Its like trying to force a language on someone.
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MAJ Dallas D.
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NO!!!!! Texas I thought you were better than this!!!!

This reminds me of the student in California that was expelled for wearing a US Flag t-shirt on May 5th.

What I have never understood is hey you left Mexico (Insert Country Here) because you didn't like it and came to the United States (Legally or Illegally) We did not ask you to come here but if you keep trying to change everything here what do you think the odds are the USA becomes what you left?
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Texas IS better than this sir. My state will correct this, fear not!
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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I say that if you want to fly the Mexican flag, then go back where you came from. Oh, wait you where being oppressed and wanted a better life for your family. I get it! Then you move to America, suck or country dry of the things that the people in Washington are giving for free. Then get a job, illegally and then be able to get all of the benefits of that country that even the Citizens usually can't get. Then send all the money you make to Mexico to your family, and still get to vote for the MORONS that are letting you do it. hum, not a bad deal why on earth would I move back there when they have the cake and get to eat it.

Close the Mexican boarders, kick them the F out! You want what we have, then go it LEGALLY! Work for it, not steal it. SPEAK ENGLISH! Don't like it leave, we should by them the ticket or put a inter tube under there butt and send them out the way they came in. Across the river!
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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Oh and by the way, if you don't lke this comment maybe you should go with them! My great-Grandfather, Grand-father, Uncle, Aunt, Father and myself like may others her have fought and bled for the beliefs and this country. I think that gives us the right to say"GET OUT!"
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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The answer is not simply "no" but "fudge no". If students are going to say the Pledge of Allegiance they can go to Mexico. I am not sure if this is about being PC or having sensitivities to foreign nationals or citizens with Mexican roots but we can't even get out children to say the our POA because it might offend someone.
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