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Too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Suck it up and move on.
Times change regardless if we agree with it or not.
Times change regardless if we agree with it or not.
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Personally, I find homosexual repulsive. But its their life and their preference does not interfere with my own personal life. Who am I to judge another person's religions, creed, or sexuality. As long as the person next to me covers my back, he can be a flaming homosexual and I wouldn't even care.
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Really? Is this a thing again? How did it turn out last time there was a ban on gay people? Fiscally speaking, it's just a bad idea because you're going to spend God knows how much training somebody and paying them to stay in because they fill some niche specialty; and that snowballs with tenure and rank as we all know, and you'd kick them out when you find out they're into the same sex? It just doesn't make sense at all. If you can do your job and you want to continue to do your job, then you should be afforded that chance.
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PO1 Gene Barfield
In a 1992 GAO report entitled "Defense Force Management (available in summary at http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO/NSIAD-92-98 with a .pdf download link for the entire report) the government stated that in 1990 it cost $28,226 to replace every enlisted person and $120,772 to replace every officer discharged for being lgbt.
When I spoke, in 1993, with the primary editor of the report he acknowledged that the sum of all costs relating to lgbt discharges was likely underreported by a factor of at least 10. This is because the cost estimate for, for example, replacing an enlisted individual was given as the cost of replacing that individual with an E1 fresh from boot camp, regardless of the rank, time-in-service, training and experience of the person being discharged. In my case, if I had been discharged at, say, my 8-year point, the cost to replace me with a person of equal qualifications, experience and training would have had to include the base cost of $28K, plus all the costs of putting that individual through Nuclear Power School (estimated to be $118K at the time), Enlisted Submarine School, Stainless Steel Welding class, Navy Drug & Alcohol Safety Action Program, Career Counselor School, another Class "A" School and two Class "C" schools plus recruiting school, plus all pay, benefits and allowances over an eight year career.
The authors of the report also freely acknowledged their cost summaries for replacing officers were way off in ways they couldn't even estimate because many officers suspected of or determined to be lgbt were allowed to resign, and therefore their discharges weren't included in the totals of those thrown out for being lgbt.
Remember, all those costs are in 1992 dollars. Even without the correction factors made necessary as explained above, the cost of discharging lgbt people were astronomical and made no sense at all.
At the same time this report appeared publicly, a handful of previously suppressed DOD reports dating back as far as WWII on the subject of lgbt people in the military found their way to the desks of every member of Congress, by means not yet publicly disclosed. All of the reports included data which made it understandable why DOD attempted, ultimately without success, to keep the public from ever seeing them. Statistical studies of the service records of 100% of the people discharged for being lgbt gave evidence that by throwing such people out, DOD was consistently losing people who were among the best and brightest in uniform, as determined by career evaluation grade averages, rates of advancement, and decorations and other received.
When I spoke, in 1993, with the primary editor of the report he acknowledged that the sum of all costs relating to lgbt discharges was likely underreported by a factor of at least 10. This is because the cost estimate for, for example, replacing an enlisted individual was given as the cost of replacing that individual with an E1 fresh from boot camp, regardless of the rank, time-in-service, training and experience of the person being discharged. In my case, if I had been discharged at, say, my 8-year point, the cost to replace me with a person of equal qualifications, experience and training would have had to include the base cost of $28K, plus all the costs of putting that individual through Nuclear Power School (estimated to be $118K at the time), Enlisted Submarine School, Stainless Steel Welding class, Navy Drug & Alcohol Safety Action Program, Career Counselor School, another Class "A" School and two Class "C" schools plus recruiting school, plus all pay, benefits and allowances over an eight year career.
The authors of the report also freely acknowledged their cost summaries for replacing officers were way off in ways they couldn't even estimate because many officers suspected of or determined to be lgbt were allowed to resign, and therefore their discharges weren't included in the totals of those thrown out for being lgbt.
Remember, all those costs are in 1992 dollars. Even without the correction factors made necessary as explained above, the cost of discharging lgbt people were astronomical and made no sense at all.
At the same time this report appeared publicly, a handful of previously suppressed DOD reports dating back as far as WWII on the subject of lgbt people in the military found their way to the desks of every member of Congress, by means not yet publicly disclosed. All of the reports included data which made it understandable why DOD attempted, ultimately without success, to keep the public from ever seeing them. Statistical studies of the service records of 100% of the people discharged for being lgbt gave evidence that by throwing such people out, DOD was consistently losing people who were among the best and brightest in uniform, as determined by career evaluation grade averages, rates of advancement, and decorations and other received.
Defense Force Management: DOD's Policy on Homosexuality
Pursuant to a congressional request, GAO reviewed the Department of Defense's (DOD) policy of excluding homosexuals from serving in the armed forces.
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Gays In The Military - Can You Be Gay In The Army?
SUBSCRIBE HERE: http://goo.gl/CDdd8w Action Figure Therapy’s Jungle Recon weigh in on the topic of gays in the military and talks about how he has found the ...
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https://youtu.be/878mBvDrhVg
https://youtu.be/878mBvDrhVg
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I'm either way my brother is gay and was in the service. Would he still be living if gays couldn't join yes,but I can't change the way things happen.
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