Posted on Jan 28, 2014
Should the Army bring back the Specialist titles?
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When I joined the Army we Specialist 4-6 (SP7 had just been discontinued). It provided those Soldiers who had technical expertise and experience the opportunity to progress and earn more pay. However they typically were not "green tab" leaders and were subordinate in rank to a "sergeant" of the same pay grade (SSG & SP6). I've often thought over the years that the Army deleted a program that brought added value to the organization by discontinuing these ranks, as not all Soldiers are not going to be good leaders but should have the opportunity to progress based on their occupational expertise.
Should the Army bring these ranks back?
Should the Army bring these ranks back?
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 708
I served in the Army from 1989-1993 ended with the rank of Sergeant. What struck me in my four years and especially through PLDC, was the difference between those who were combat arms; 13B, 13M and 11B, 11C to those who were medics, cooks, mechanics, etc. The Combat arms wanted to learn how to be leaders, the rest were going through the motion and mostly complained about map reading, night maneuvers and infantry tactics. It was then that I questioned WHY the army took away the specialist ranks. Before that they were called Tech Sergeants. Bring those ranks back.
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I think this would be awesome! I prefer to mentor Soldiers than lead them. I have been fortunate that all of my Soldiers didn't require the need to be 'lead'. This would allow those like me to excel in the Army, goes to my belief that we should be tested in order to be promoted.
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SGM Debra Bradshaw
You are, in fact, leading your Soldiers by mentoring them. In the business world it's call Servant Leadership. Good job.
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SGT Leigh Barton
Personally, I'm of the opinion that mentoring IS the only real leadership. Not just training your own replacement, but encouraging initiative, understanding , and responsibility in subordinates.
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I agree! There are many enlisted technical experts who deserve SPC-8 or SPC-9 who do not get the pay due to what is required or available for MSG/1SG or SGM slots.
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If they had brought them back I may have considered staying in. I chose not to be a leader because to be honest it was just not my thing. I would have much more preferred to do my job and do it well. I had no problem following the orders of anyone that was higher rank . It did not make me any less capable of doing my job and if anything it made me more capable. I did not have to worry about what a bunch of troops under me were doing and I was able to focus more clearly on the job at hand. Before I get hurt at work and became disabled I was a darn good diesel mechanic and used my military discipline and work ethic at my job. I went into work and focused on the task at hand and did not worry about what anyone else was doing but was always happy to help someone out and be part of the team when needed. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth and not every one wants to be a leader BUT they can still be a very valuable member of a team and make the team function better by being part of that team.
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One of the biggest mistakes the Army did when it took the SPC ranks away. NOT ALL SOLDIERS ARE LEADERS. No matter how much the Army wants to think every soldier needs a hard stripe, not all are leaders. Everyone of us has seen those with stripes who are not leaders, but know their jobs. The SPC ranks enabled these soldiers to progress up the ladder and yet not have the responsibility they can't handle.
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CPT Pedro Meza
In the 1970's the SPC 5-7 were the Operation Rooms Techs that assisted the doctors in operations.
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Personally sir I see no reason why they shouldn't bring the Specialst rank back. They may not have all the authority of a hard stripe, but the are in a class of their own. This would free up those that are hard stripes to do their jobs.
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And FYI anyone who says specialists aren't leaders is a fool, and either didn't spend anytime as one or was in a crap MOS and got promoted faster than needed.
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SSG Brian MacBain
I believe the Army should get rid of SPC rank and all E-4 be CPL's They are the Junior and (some our future) leaders.
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SGT Jeremy Hudson
I believe specialists are soldiers that have demonstrated that they are knowledgeable enough to their job and are put in a position to learn leadership and management skills, which is the job of their leaders to provide. Once they have achieved a level of leadership training in which they are capable of demonstrating that leadership effectively would be where the corporal rank can be given to display their direction to a leadership position. I can promise you not all specialists should be "future leaders". Some people are simply not willing to step into a leadership level of position and are perfectly happy being a team member, even a subject matter or experienced expert.
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On the surface, this seems like a good idea. But to me it would raise questions. What about soldiers that advanced to SP6 rank and were then eligible for promotion? With little to no leadership training, they would be thrust into the senior NCO ranks.
If that wasn't the case, you would have people that were technically proficient and worthy of promotion to SP5 and SP6, but no further. It seems to me there would have to be some leadership training along the way to make sure that when the soldier did make the transfer from SP5 or 6 to a leadership role, that soldier would be prepared.
If that wasn't the case, you would have people that were technically proficient and worthy of promotion to SP5 and SP6, but no further. It seems to me there would have to be some leadership training along the way to make sure that when the soldier did make the transfer from SP5 or 6 to a leadership role, that soldier would be prepared.
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LCDR (Join to see)
Either you keep rolling through to higher SP grades, go Warrant, or accept that some MOSes are terminal at SP-6 or SP-7. There are many officer designators in the Navy that don't have the option to go to four stars... hell, 1210 (Nuclear Power Instructor) doesn't even go up to O-4.
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SGT (Join to see)
Or you could be like the Marine Corps, there is a huge difference between a Master Sergeant, and a 1st Sergeant, MSG'S were technicians and stayed that way for the rest of their career up to Master gunnery sergeant. Where as the 1st SGT was in the leadership role and continued on to SgtMaj. Once you chose your path you were there for life. The Corps also has Limited Duty Officers which usually cap out at O5. They were once enlisted and have position s such as maintenance unit CO's.
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No. Such things encourage a mindset that there are "soldiers" and there are "others". It discourages synergy and unity of effort by keeping people in separate categories with different standards. There should be one standard for being a soldier, one standard for being a leader--and then many opportunities to be both. While not everyone is or should be a leader, some are better than the rest, some better than the best. They should get promotions. There should not be anything wrong with being the best soldier you can be at a certain rank, such as a truck driver. Long ago we had people who were excellent truck drivers who were happy being truck drivers and they were happy to retire as a Staff Sergeant with 20 years. Then the up-or-out mentality made some of them terrible motor pool sergeants. We lost experienced truck drivers.
In my field you had to fight to be a Buck Sergeant rather than a SP5. As a result we didn't get some of the basic leadership experiences a Sergeant needs, such as during guard duty. No, a SP5 could drive the guard truck, but not command a relief. And then you made SSG and didn't know what to do...as SP7 was a legal clerk or a stenographer, and yet they would magically become a Master Sergeant or Sgt Major...sometimes in over their heads when it came to being a Sergeant. Of course, let's not paint everyone with one brush. Some of us sought higher responsibility, and learned the ropes. However, not everyone had the opportunity to be a green tab leader. Our Army cannot afford to shut those doors.
In my field you had to fight to be a Buck Sergeant rather than a SP5. As a result we didn't get some of the basic leadership experiences a Sergeant needs, such as during guard duty. No, a SP5 could drive the guard truck, but not command a relief. And then you made SSG and didn't know what to do...as SP7 was a legal clerk or a stenographer, and yet they would magically become a Master Sergeant or Sgt Major...sometimes in over their heads when it came to being a Sergeant. Of course, let's not paint everyone with one brush. Some of us sought higher responsibility, and learned the ropes. However, not everyone had the opportunity to be a green tab leader. Our Army cannot afford to shut those doors.
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SGT Jim Perry
I agree with you CSM Coberly. In 1964 I was made assistant section chief as a PFC in a Hawk missile Battery in Korea. When promoted to E-4 I was made a Specialist, but was put on the roster for Sgt of the Guard and did not walk guard as the other Specialist. My Warrant Officer also worked closely with me to plan a career path to Warrant Officer school upon re-enlistment. When I was promoted to E-5 with just 2 years in service I was offered hard stripes if I would attend the NCO academy , being young I declined his offer. I was still given NCO duties to include Sargent of the Guard for the entire Ft Bliss and Macgregor range. Diabetes was detected in a physical prior to deployment to Viet Nam in Jan 1966 and I was hospitalized for three months awaiting a medical board. I was kept on the medicals ward to help with the large number of recruits awaiting separation from service for various medical problems . I learned leadership during my service and after as a Manager of an airline which has become American Airlines. Leadership in the real world comes from within not what is on your sleeve. I truly respect rank and have a brother-in-law who retired as CSM of 1st Special Forces Regiment in 1993.
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MSG John Wirts
I remember several things I learned about other country militaries, The British for instance had a twin career path, one path like the U.S. required schooling and leadership training. The individual had to be promoted up the ranks to stay in this path. There was the "professional private" path. This path required the individual to be proficient in his MOS, but no leadership or promotion was required to stay in. I think the specialist rank E-4 through E-9 with the Super Specialist limited to the legal , medical and other high skill areas, The SP4 through SP-6 in the skill areas where technical proficiency could be gained by practice or extension courses.
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They should be brought back, everyone isnt able to lead. Those that are good at what they do technically might not be comfortable on the leadership side and that should be ok.
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Cpl David Schaffer
If they cannot be a leader, then why should they be promoted? To get promoted you should be a skilled leader and good in your technical field. I served in the Marines so this split rank stuff is strange with exceptions of E-7 where they basically choose a career path of politcs or field leader. However both had to be skilled leaders and understand their jobs. I do not see how this really works with lower ranks. Should an E5 have to listen to a Specialist E6 that is not a leader if the E5 is in a leadership rank? I think things can become quite muddled if the Army were to go back to this. I look at your E4's and have heard the division between them. Some are lazy SPC's because nothing is expected of them but the CPL leads and gets the job done. I have heard them say I do the same job without the responsibility, I think this leads to complacency and further division. But that is just my thoughts from a Marines perspective.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
In the Army, all Specialists rank between PFC and Corporal. All specialists are eligible for fatigue details. At COs discretion, the higher ones maybe afforded privileges of the pay grade they hold, but not the rank. Within their MOS Specs may supervise other Specs, such as a SP6, Shift Supervisor over a SP5 First Cook.
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