Posted on Dec 10, 2015
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SSG Todd Halverson
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I would say that the BFCT needs to be updated to a better system. It still needs to be simple and easy to understand with limited technical equipment. One must realize that this is just a tool to help the CDR assess his unit. Then, if the CDR is smart, they can modify the training to meet the needs of the Soldiers and reach their training goals. If there are some who need help loosing weight or passing the APFT, he can set up programs to assist with that. The 1 - 1.5 hours every morning may not be enough to help some Soldiers.
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Absolutely. They should be stricter. By BMI standards, most people in the Army are obese. I agree, some people don't tape correctly but you can avoid running into any issues by not getting too close to the limit. You can also bring up any concerns on the spot and your leadership has the option of having someone else tape you.

Just to be clear, although the current system is neither perfect nor the most accurate, it is the most practical given our environment. Furthermore, NO SYSTEM will make everyone happy. And no, weight standards shouldn't be based on race.

"No matter how hard I train my genetics will NOT CHANGE." I call BS on this one. There are plenty of black female athletes with sub 10% body fats.
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I never said there weren't Sir. I am simply stating that my family runs with small necks, Small waists, big hips/buttocks. However I look professional in my uniform, as well as do great in PT. I am NOT the least bit of "unfit" nor am I obese. I just don't fit the bone structure to be 70" and 169 lbs.
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Genetics do play a part.
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SGT (Join to see) I've already mentioned this but, before joining I lost close to 90lbs. I have loose skin on my belly, to the point that my 1SG asked me to try to get a tummy tuck since it didn't look fair to him that I had to be taped over that skin. I've never busted the tape but every H&W day, I get ready for an uncomfortable experience.
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I don't have a problem with the standard. The Army has been living under the current set more or less unchanged for my entire career. You either meet it or you don't.
I DO think that the Army in this day and age can adopt a more accurate means to test body composition. The tape test is what it is basically so that units can conduct it with minimal equipment and technical knowledge. We have all seen what happens when a taping Soldier doesn't do it properly. I also know the issues that genetics plays with bone density and such.

My take is sometimes we lose the forest for the trees. The BFCT, like the APFT, is not meant to be a club to play gotcha with Soldiers. It is an assessment tool so that the commander may tailor training programs to address the physical fitness of their unit grounded in the unit's METL. The whole point is to identify issues and train in a way that solves those issues and builds physical capabilities.
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LTC Charles T Dalbec
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AR 600-9 needs a complete rewrite and yes height and weight charts need to be revised
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