Posted on May 17, 2016
Should the Army make exceptions to uniform policy based on religious beliefs?
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This is definitely a situation where you make one concession and a hundred more requests come out of the woodworks. I believe the military should try to accommodate religious beliefs but like anything it opens the door to people to take advantage of the system and be dishonest about their requests.
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SGT Christopher Churilla
CSM (Join to see) I don't know about making accommodations to Soldiers trying to get in, but once a Soldier is in, then he needs to speak with a chaplain, who will make a determination on whether it is a sincere request or if the Soldier is simply trying to take advantage of the system.
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"It is DoD policy that requests for accommodation of religious practices should be approved by commanders..." [emphasis added] To this exhortation is added, however, a critical caveat: requests for accommodation should be approved, but only "when accommodation will not have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, standards, or discipline."
It really depends on the troop's career field, operations, and mission capabilities in my opinion. Accommodations can be as for allowing, but as far as pay goes, we all get the same. I was Muslim while serving and received the same BAH as everyone else. Per Islamic dietary law, our foods had to be Halal (I don't follow this real because I eat everything). With our BAH, we were easily able to buy halal food (if I wanted to). The price was not high.
If I were a commander, I would approve a troop that does not receive BAS living in the dorms to choose to recieve BAS so that they may suit their dietary requirements. They will not be given free meals at the dining facility.
It really depends on the troop's career field, operations, and mission capabilities in my opinion. Accommodations can be as for allowing, but as far as pay goes, we all get the same. I was Muslim while serving and received the same BAH as everyone else. Per Islamic dietary law, our foods had to be Halal (I don't follow this real because I eat everything). With our BAH, we were easily able to buy halal food (if I wanted to). The price was not high.
If I were a commander, I would approve a troop that does not receive BAS living in the dorms to choose to recieve BAS so that they may suit their dietary requirements. They will not be given free meals at the dining facility.
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I find that the influences of society have allowed this type of demand/request/behavior to cross the lines into our Military. We as the US Military are an institution, a team. We all signed the blank check to the country to defend against all enemies. We did this willingly and stepped forward into the uniform leaving our individuality at the door. That being said we are not a Military of individuals; we are a cohesive unit. If you want to have your individual rights do not join the Military. Just my two cents, and my first response. Perhaps it's just time for me to retire.
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If your religious beliefs don't line up with military uniform regulations, I suggest you not reenlist or sign up for another tour of duty. In the military one of the first things that is instilled in us all is uniformity. That's this guys opinion.
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The answer is a resounding no. The uniform should be based on the standards already set forth and should not be altered for any religious reason.. no matter the religion. If you keep it this way then nobody can rightfully claim discrimination because everyone is receiving the same treatment. However, the moment you set aside a standard for one religion then you are going to have to do so for all religions otherwise you actually will be discriminatory. Leave it as is. The service member is or should be aware of the standards prior to joining and don't have to join up if they can't accept it.
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Jewish service members already wear yamakas in uniform. Stars of David and Crosses are authorized in uniform, with religions written on dog tags.
And we can get rid of Chaplains while we are at it, right?
No sense having service members who can't pick up an M4 and join the fight...
And their uniforms are altered, too....
And we can get rid of Chaplains while we are at it, right?
No sense having service members who can't pick up an M4 and join the fight...
And their uniforms are altered, too....
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What happened to uniformity shrouded in tradition. Why ask to modify over a century of tradition to placate a small minority. Why serve if it goes beyond your current beliefs.
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We added women to the forces in the last century. Should we bind our breasts, shave our heads, and take hormones to keep our hips in check, for your plea of uniformity?
I've got no issue shaving my head, but its hard to run in 15-40lb vest, let alone with a constricting binder.
Uniformity went out the window during Iraq, anyway.... just go to any unit, and you will find guys breaking their shaving profiles, females breaking hair regs, service members tweaking the wear of their uniform to "flatter" their body, SMs in salty-as-hell uniforms, and dickbags in brand new, starched uniforms like they are going to meet the president for lunch.
To have traditional uniformity, you would have to go back to basics, and instill a new level of respect (for the uniform) in about 96% of the military.
I have people in my unit that don't even see what the big deal is, when their American flags are unraveling on their shoulder.
I've got no issue shaving my head, but its hard to run in 15-40lb vest, let alone with a constricting binder.
Uniformity went out the window during Iraq, anyway.... just go to any unit, and you will find guys breaking their shaving profiles, females breaking hair regs, service members tweaking the wear of their uniform to "flatter" their body, SMs in salty-as-hell uniforms, and dickbags in brand new, starched uniforms like they are going to meet the president for lunch.
To have traditional uniformity, you would have to go back to basics, and instill a new level of respect (for the uniform) in about 96% of the military.
I have people in my unit that don't even see what the big deal is, when their American flags are unraveling on their shoulder.
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When is the last time we got gassed?
How many service members even have pro-masks?
Because I'm the only person in my current unit with one....
Pro-masks have gone the way of bayonets....they are in our history books, and in our military inventory, but no one actually has them and uses them....
I have a mask, and I haven't been to the chamber since BCT in 2009....
And BAS is for Basic Subsistence... if you want to subsist on anything beyond the basics, it comes out of your Base Pay.
How many service members even have pro-masks?
Because I'm the only person in my current unit with one....
Pro-masks have gone the way of bayonets....they are in our history books, and in our military inventory, but no one actually has them and uses them....
I have a mask, and I haven't been to the chamber since BCT in 2009....
And BAS is for Basic Subsistence... if you want to subsist on anything beyond the basics, it comes out of your Base Pay.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
I know many, MANY, veterans would shun such an updated response, however, I too went years without going to the gas chamber. I was too busy deploying.
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In America, as a citizen, you have the right to practice your inalienable rights such as free speech, practicing religion and everything else the bill of rights States becsaue they are given to you by a higher power not the Government or governing body where you reside. The army is different, the armyand military in general is not civilian society, it's professional soldiers tasked with the responsibility of protecting our beloved society . serving in my opinion is not a right or a privilege. It's a duty. Something that of your able to you should sacrifice a few years of looking and wearing what you want in order to protect and defend our society if your able. It's giving back to those before you and after you who have allowed you to live peacefully within our beloved society. Exceptions in an Army can only be made on personnel if it's for the good of the army. I am a libertarian, but the army has to run to serve the entire force instead of the needs of the individual which is completely opposite to how civilian life should be. In civilian world no one should be infringed upon because no one should lose their rights at society's request. In the military the group cannot be infringed upon becsaue the loss here is the effectiveness of winning in open combat. You take a oath that says I will protect Constitution and obey the orders of the officers appointed over me so help me God. Not that will want certain accommodations made for me due to my God and then follow the rest of my oath. We should look, move, and fight as a whole, not have certain differences that causes us to loose that uniformity. The work day is from 530 am to whenever last formation is. Wear your uniform and head gear that everyone is wearing. When the day is done switch to whatever civilian outfit you enjoy wearing and wear whatever it is you feel is important. When you wear the uniform you aren't only defending your beliefs but beliefs of people that you may highly oppose. This is your job. This is your duty. Do it.
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If the Army makes exceptions to the uniform policy, then the "uniform" policy will not be uniform. The uniform policy should be call the "Army Dress Code" policy. There are temporary exceptions to the policy and that is as far as it should go, anything else defeats the purpose (and it has as you may have noticed).
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CW2 (Join to see) - Warrant; The implication of not being able to wear a "Pro-Mask" (regardless of why) is that you are likely to die if you should have been wearing one and aren't.
No. soldiers should NOT receive different rates of BAS because of their religions.
No. soldiers should NOT receive different rates of BAS because of their religions.
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They are aloud to wear them in uniform if you do not know the reg stop with the non sense a lot of you don't meet the army or military standard at all but so quick to down play one cause of a difference chaplains of all religions are represented and just want to serve they country yes I said they country... So grow up to the new world if u don't like it go home... But please stop with the racist shit
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
SFC (Join to see) - So you are calling me a racist because I made a statement from 1992..
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis - No I'm saying all these statements are never called you one but those remarks are very bigot like take it how u want
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis - Making a statement from 1992 requires you to annotate that your statement is from 1992.
This discussion is about the current military, and its accommodations. A lot has changed since '92..... I no longer wear diapers, and computers are now handheld.
Yamakas are plain black or the uniform pattern.
This discussion is about the current military, and its accommodations. A lot has changed since '92..... I no longer wear diapers, and computers are now handheld.
Yamakas are plain black or the uniform pattern.
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This should be simple - we are soldiers here to protect this great nation. We all have our own brand of religion, sexual preference, and other situations.
End of the day it is simple in my mind - we protect, we fight, we kill. An effective fighting unit cannot be worrying more about religious or PC issues.
They have to focus on the task at hand. Everyone is equal and should not get any special preference or money.
I am a Christian - you think it is not difficult for us to grow up turning the other cheek but when it comes to combat, aim, squeeze, fire!
Should we be given something for the rest of our life's for violating and Lord and Savior's commandment.
No, stay out of the pan if you cannot handle the fire!
End of the day it is simple in my mind - we protect, we fight, we kill. An effective fighting unit cannot be worrying more about religious or PC issues.
They have to focus on the task at hand. Everyone is equal and should not get any special preference or money.
I am a Christian - you think it is not difficult for us to grow up turning the other cheek but when it comes to combat, aim, squeeze, fire!
Should we be given something for the rest of our life's for violating and Lord and Savior's commandment.
No, stay out of the pan if you cannot handle the fire!
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Opinions will vary from person to person. This is only the beginning to so many more changes that will come within time with these specific things.
Do I agree with this? No. But I can't speak for anyone else. The military does try to adapt with society, should it? I don't think so, to an extent. The military isn't here to ensure that everyone gets what they want, because everyone won't. There will always be the people that get upset because they don't get what they want. In my opinion, people need to adapt. Something we all learn. Let people have their holidays, let them have veggie MRE's but there is no need to completely change certain regs because people don't want to adapt.
We are soldiers, we are to adapt to any conditions. If they wanted to have all these changes maybe they should have re thought their choices on joining.
Again. This is only an opinion.
Do I agree with this? No. But I can't speak for anyone else. The military does try to adapt with society, should it? I don't think so, to an extent. The military isn't here to ensure that everyone gets what they want, because everyone won't. There will always be the people that get upset because they don't get what they want. In my opinion, people need to adapt. Something we all learn. Let people have their holidays, let them have veggie MRE's but there is no need to completely change certain regs because people don't want to adapt.
We are soldiers, we are to adapt to any conditions. If they wanted to have all these changes maybe they should have re thought their choices on joining.
Again. This is only an opinion.
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No no and no.United states Military United States Uniform,United States Military chow hall,United States Soldier.If you want to live by your culture go back to your country's military because they sure wouldn't let us live up to our culture.
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