Posted on Feb 18, 2014
LTC John Czarnecki
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If you were to get a Company Grade Article 15 for some minor offense, one of the punishment options is a week's confinement.&nbsp; Move up to a Field Grade ART 15 and you can get a month.<br><br>This USED to be served at the post CCF, or Correctional Confinement Facility, popularly called the Gulag.&nbsp; It wasn't jail, but it wasn't a nice place, either.&nbsp; Hard-ass NCOs would supervise work details, where an errant young trooper would serve his confinement by filling sandbags, or cutting firewood for the Sr. NCO's and Officer's quarters.&nbsp; The soldiers lived in WWII barracks which were surrounded by a fence but no guard.&nbsp; There was a CQ on duty to make sure nobody ran off, however.<br><br>The objective was to make the wrong-doer sweat a bit for their crimes.&nbsp; This did one of two things:&nbsp; the soldier who punched an NCO and got an ART-15 would either become reformed, or would become incorrigible and would generally wind up being Chaptered out of the service.&nbsp; More often than not, the soldiers who went to CCF would be reformed.<br><br>I started this thread as a companion to the School of the Soldier thread... by getting back to the basics, even with a purely volunteer Service, I feel the needs of the NCOs are best being met.&nbsp; <br><br>What do you think?&nbsp; Have you had any experience with the CCF?&nbsp; (I once took a truckload of empty sandbags to the CCF to have them filled... I was tapped to support the construction of ROTC summer camp fighting positions at Ft. Lewis.&nbsp; The NCOIC at the CCF pointed to a shade tree and told the three of us to relax in the lounge chairs under it.&nbsp; A few hours later our truck was neatly loaded with a thousand or so filled sandbags.&nbsp; Nice.)<br>
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Edward Belliveau
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Yes yes
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PVT DrTravis D Hill
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It amounted to water boarding!
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No PVT not even close, it was an alternative to AR-15 in most cases. Hard labor, Yes, meaning less tasks, yes, extreme discipline, yes, rigid schedule with no personal time, yes. torture? No Soldiers came back after 30 days with a new attitude. You see their Piss Poor Attitude didn't just affect them, but those around them also. Yep I seen a couple of my peers go to CCF, hated it for them but they returned with a new perspective. You want water boarding ........ how about having to be a roomie with someone who has a jacked up attitude bring heat down on himself and those around him.
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SSG Leonard Johnson
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Ohhhhhhh check yeah.....I loved these places....they not only worked on me once....but twice.... I think about it.... If I been promoted as many times as demoted....I be CSM of the Universe :) Man the 80's were to fun
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Maj Mike Sciales
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We had a CCF barracks at RAF Upper Heyford. The first 2 hours were a brief revisit to Basic training. During that intense time airmen were told to give serious thought to "why did you join?" Troops were free to quit, but that meant a discharge. Once committed to the program they worked normal duties during the day (no fatigue details) and evenings were devoted to introspection as well as studying core values. We had an 85% success rate and some airmen went on to win Squadron and Wing awards and fine careers. I felt first termers make mistakes and we benefitted by "re-bluing" by not losing the money we'd spent training them. Despite obvious success, the program was killed in early 90s as we moved to "zero defect" mode. I think we made a mistake and lost some talent.
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SSG Drill Sergeant
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The foundation for it are complete. Just forgotten.
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1SG Michael Blount
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I've only seen a couple of CCF Soldiers doing duty whilst on my first trail at Knox. I did NOT want to be one of them or anywhere near them
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SSG Ed Mikus
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yes!
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1SG(P) First Sergeant
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Absolutely
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SSG Track Vehicle Repairer
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Yes 1,000 times over.
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