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We do have boards. However due to manning restrictions of PT service, our file goes to the board. Promotions are hard enough in the Guard/Reserves!!! Why make it more difficult. We've proven over the past 15 years that our abilities equal that of Active troops.
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CPL(P) Aviation Operations Specialist
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SSG (Join to see) - I disagree with your statement, in my case having just submitted a packet for E5 I am attached to a down trace unit falling under our brigade and am deployed with a small detachment, so I definitely don't know anybody that looked over my packet.
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SSG Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
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Oh, that's weird. So you don't know the person who did your E4 eval? I'm not exactly sure how a paper board is going to work without an NCOER or E4 evaluation. My point is the only impartial way to rate persons for promotion into leadership roles should be a board in front of subject matter experts and testing competency within a MOS. I would also agree that testing would also work better than the current system the National Guard has.
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SSG Squad Leader
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I sat on one of these paper boards last month and think it is a complete waste of time. E-4's should have to board just like active duty does. The way it is now most of the evaluations are done last minute by leadership that thinks they have something better to do so the soldier does not get a just evaluation most of the time. I have read many of them and you can tell who they want promoted and who they dont. I think standing in front of the CSM and 1SG's should be the way it's done.
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SFC Public Affairs Ncoic
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Exactly, promotion is the Reserves is hard enough. Depending on which point in time we're talking about (the regs change), you need to be lucky enough to find a position close to home in your MOS & rank. Then there needs to a slot open for your promotion rank in the same MOS. In our case, we have no full-time staff and no admin staff. So you turn a packet in. They lose it. You turn it in again. They change the format. You correct and turn it in. Then you fall under someone else for the board. Rinse and repeat. Many in the USAF Reserve have told me they have never even seen a promotion packet...just gets handled automatically by admin somewhere.
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The board is not just about how you look in your uniform, but it's paramount in the basic description of a Soldier. The board is necessary to see how you react under pressure, when faced with difficult or easy questions. If you can't perform infront of your superiors well enough how will you perform infront of your subordinates, and the public when tasked to do such. The board also shows the Soldiers ability to study and retain what he/she learned. Same thing goes if we should test out like other branches i.e. Airforce/Navy. I think the Army has the best promoting system because it puts 60% of the soldiers points in his/her hands, so either go out and accomplish them or sit back get passed up and or separated accordingly. Just my thoughts.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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That's all understandable
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SSG Recruiting And Retention Nco
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Understandable. However, not an easy task for someone in the National Guard or Reserves. Having served in all three components, studying for a board was easy on Active Duty. It was all I had and all I needed to do. But in the Reserves and Guard, I have a full-time job outside of the Military. I have to stay proficient in those tasks, conditions and standards. It is extremely difficult for us to find time, if we have full-time jobs, to have time to study for a board. So, the legitimate promotion board isn't realistic for the non-active components.
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SFC Deputy Station Commander
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The argument that you all are making is leading me to believe that promotions in the Reserve and guard should be limited to the ones who can balance both civilian and military workloads. Being active duty is no different, we are culture on the job and have to study when time permits also. And on the other hand if we want to go to school we also have to balance that bad boy. The point of my statement was to say if you want the promotions bad enough you'll do whatever it takes to grab it. We all face our challenges with promotions it's just a matter of who will do the most to put themselves in the position when the time comes.
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MAJ Protection Chief, G34
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SFC Davidson,
All very good points.
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LTC John Shaw
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Yes, promotion boards are the best way for the Command to manage and select the best qualified soldiers. Bottom line: This is typically CSM/1SG business and the board process helps shape the future NCO leadership of all the Commands.
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SPC Computer/Detection Systems Repairer
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And what about Officers ? who decide which one is the best qualified ,because I know many officer that they do even know what they are doing.Why the officers does not have board promotions ,this system is unfair and discriminate between enlisted and officers
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LTC John Shaw
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Officer have boards they are run nationally by the HRC in Fort Knox, KY. This year alone over 780 Captains were boarded out, involuntary separation. It is all about the needs of the Army.
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Should the Army Reserves and National Guard require a promotion board as they do AD soldiers?
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CSM William Payne
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For what rank are you referring to? Active duty boards are centralized for most ranks outside of junior promotions and even junior enlisted get promoted automatically unless the commander can give just cause not to.

The Army has had centralized promotions for years because their records have been in PERMS. The Reserve Boards have been moving that way with the biggest obstacle being the conversion all of the Soldier's records to PERMs. Officers records were almost 100% in the Reserves for years now, enlisted not so much. The Reserves is modeling AD, not the other way around.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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Thanks for that information CSM William Payne
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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CSM William Payne "junior enlisted", as in ""SGT Bergdahl"" attaining his rank w/o any schools or boards?
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CSM William Payne
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That is exactly right CSM. As I stated above, they will automatically get promoted once they reach a certain time in service and time in grade cutoff. It is DoD policy that all POWs will follow this guideline despite any "known" circumstances, until any adverse action is completed. Innocent until proven guilty.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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When I was promoted to SGT I had to stand a board. By the time SSG rolled around the Reserve went to a paper board. Due to time restrictions and such, it was a good way to go. Later on as a unit NCOIC (acting 1SG) I sat on several boards. A lot of work goes into the boards. As a SGM I Presided over promotion boards. Promotion in the Reserve is the same as Active Duty, we use the same forms and such, just our boards are paper and AD-they stand. I've heard National Guard is different, but can't say or will not comment on their process.
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MSG S3 Operations Ncoic
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Should? Absolutely. It is possible? Unfortunately no. I've been a board member myself and I can't agree more with having the service member present during the promotion board. Almost anybody can meet the minimum requirement and "look good" on paper. However; as someone expressed before; it is almost impossible due to how geographical dispersed are most of the Reserve/NG units from their BN's.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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Agreed SFC Manuel Sanchez
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SSG Human Resources Specialist
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I am an AGR Soldier and I've said for the longest that I personally believe it's backwards. Everyday I come to work and show my proficiency in my field and my ability to handle the tasks at hand, while TPU Soldiers put together paperwork to make themselves look good and sit back and wait for promotion. I believe TPU soldiers should be required to present themselves before the board, it would make most work harder and study harder than they currently do. AGR Soldiers promotions should be based off their packet and also their work performance (if their packet is submitted within their chain of command). Ultimately Commanders have the sign the packet so as an AGR Soldier if my commander signs is that not good enough to say I'm good at what I do without presenting myself?
Just my 2 cents
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SFC Senior Small Group Leader
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I believe we should go back to physical board appearances for SGT and SSG promotions. I believe its a testament to a Soldiers willingness, eagerness and drive to prepare to go in front of a board of your senior leaders. I think its mutually beneficial for both the recommended Soldier and the board members, 1) the entire experience from studying to appearing at the board is good for development and 2) it allows for our senior leaders to gauge promotion and leadership potential and provide good mentorship to junior Soldiers.

-I would say I'm slightly bias because on this topic because I'm an AGR Soldier and I had to go before an AD board for my promotion, but I will also say it was a great experience and I learned a lot not only from studying but the feedback I received at the board as well - which is something you can't get from a paper board.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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Right! And I'm trying to go AGR
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It would be nice to weed out the rifraff from getting undeserved promotions. The truth is we simply do not have the time!
The traditional M-Day Soldier has a packet that gets submitted to a board. They convene and conduct a paper board, which is where the points come from on the EPS lists. This board is weighted differently with the administrative points for different ranks.

For command positions from the 1SG and up there are still regular, face to face military boards. AGR hiring also requires a board to interview. So do select statewide vacancies, but some SWVA's are done by paper board as well.

In the end, if you are an NCO and don't feel that one of your troops should be promoted, do the due diligence to stop it! Don't recommend promotion in your reviews, and have the counseling forms to show why. Explain to your command why the Soldier is not ready so they will not be added to the list. Then provide the training that Soldier needs to advance.
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I think they should but it's not going to happen. I know I'm not driving to another state just to stand in a board. They wouldn't pay me either. The Reserves are spread out entirely to much. I'm in Ohio and my battalion is in New York. Brigade is at Benning and Div HQ is in North Carolina.
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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That's where the CSMs will have to come up with a strategy to complete that! I fully understand that!
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