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SFC Cornelius Walsh
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One of my best CSM's said it to me like this ; "remember when you were a young Private and you looked up to that NCO with jump wings? Now you're that NCO."

 

Wearing our earned badges and patches helps to encourage others when it comes to ambition and esprit de corps. I'd happily attend Air Assault school if given the chance - not for the BADGE per se, but for the unique skill set it affords, and the wealth of knowledge that can be obtained by successfully navigating the course. There are a wealth of other Army schools, badge/tab producing or not that I would also love to attend.

 

BLUF - Wear what you earned, wear it with pride, and don't judge others for not having it.

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Well said!
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Are you referring to Judgement passed by Soldiers With combat patches to those without? And the same with skill identifiers and such? 
I don't think that it should be "simplified" if by saying that you mean to remove the wear of those patches and badges. 

Those Badges and those badges all represent something. Something that was not handed, but earned by the people who wear them. 
People who wear them might look down upon those without, and people without might look up to those with them. if "Judgement" is passed in a negative fashion that is where the professionalism of the Army and it's soldiers needs to come into play. 
Soldiers with those badges and patches should work to mentor and lead, not to judge and demean. On the opposite side, soldiers without them should be open to some mentor ship among other professionals. 

If there truly is a problem with "judgement" caused by patches and badges, the problem en lies with the soldiers, not the uniform.
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There was an article on the NCO Support website.. just wanted to get some feedback from the group
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Doing that could become a morale issue. Some Soldiers take pride on what they do. Lately in the army the soft Soldiers are indirectly taking over with their low standard attitude. Those skill badges show that you want to always exceed the standard and not just meet them.
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I think that's spot on, Sergeant Santiago.

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Im Air Force (88M), and have had numerous deployments where we were subordinate to Army units.  I have been presented 3 combat patches, CAB, drivers badge, and a few Army commendation medals.  The only one Im authorized to wear on my uniform at any time are the ARCOMs. 


 


I think if youve earned it you should wear it.  Period.

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SFC, I think if someone has earned a badge they should be allowed to wear it if they so choose. I wear my badges proudly because I did something that others either haven't or couldn't. I hear a lot about how the Army is becoming soft and I think catering to the needs of the sensitive would only further that perception of a "soft" Army. 
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Should the Army simplify the ACU unifrom to create less judgement in reference to badges and patches
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No, the individuals that earned them wear them with pride. Additionally the subordinate soldiers are often motivated to earn them and emulate their leaders that wear them. On a side note, in my opinion the whole ACU pattern needs bagged. The only place you can conceal yourself in is a rock quarry. The hook and loop closures on pockets is horrible and wears out quickly. I say we go back to the drawing board and give soldiers input on new designs.
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Exactly SSG, I currently have two badges and I am immensely proud of them and whenever I see someone in my unit with three or four it motivates to prove myself to my superiors so I can be granted an opportunity to earn more. I've always thought the ACU was a great domestic camo:




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The ACU uniform should be changed, but not with regard to badges and patches. Any judgement issues lie with the soldier to the uniform. If someone is jealous of another soldier that has been deployed or been to a school then they should push or aspire toward those accomplishments themselves. Your question (i know its not YOUR question) sounds much like the discuusion that saw us all put on a black beret, so that every one felt "special".
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My answer is a resounding yes.  
The only thing that should be on your combat uniform is your name, rank, and branch of service.  I am naturally inclined to trust an airborne ranger in the 75th with a CIB more than I trust the guy with the commo brigade patch and not-much-else; in certain situations.  However, this should never be an issue for the utilization of a combat uniform. 
In order to establish assumed competence based on schools, deployment, and previous duty assignments we should wear ASUs/Class Bs when not in combat, the field, or under arms.  We can have all the colorful patches, shiny brass, and dingle-dangles that we have earned and show off how neato we are when we are not actively doing the war thing.
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When we go to combat we already don't wear badges! We cant all wear ASUs in garrison, units, and soldiers actually work, sweat, and get dirty monday through friday. Why shouldnt they be allowed to wear the badges and patches they have earned when in any uniform?
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So how do you feel about it, SFC Gilroy? What's your opinion on the subject?
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I am Ok with it either way.. I think that in some cases it is not one soldier is better than another because of the number of badges they have on their uniform but maybe they had more opportunities at their various assignments to achieve them. I have met soldiers with no bagdes who were extremely squared away/top notch and the same I have met soldiers who spent more time in schools than soldiering. I believe that some soldiers are offered more opportunites than others, so let their duty performance be the judge.
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When I have Soldiers with no additional badges that are high speed and squared away, that's when I start recommending them for those courses, but it doesn't stop there: I've sent two PFCs to WLC who've graduated Commadant's list. While some may not be in favor of this, you're never too Army young to begin your professional development and growth into a leader.
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The ACU is a disgusting uniform. It never looks neat and is as tactically proficient with all the velcro as an elephant walking through a valley of dry leaves.
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Sergeant, wearing badges is optional on the ACU uniform, just like wearing a combat patch is. Exactly what kind of judgment are you talking about?
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Soldiers that end up sizing each other up based off of their badges is a personal prejudice. If someone has something to offer regardless of what they have or haven't earned, it should be welcomed with a positive outlook. I lump "look-what-I didders" and "blatant deployment dodgers" in the same category together: jerks. There are always going to be stereotypes in a culture and ours is no different. We just have to be willing to respect others for what they offer to mitigate said stereotypes.
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SSG Redondo, I would always jokingly get into it with a peer how Airborne as better than Air Assault, but it was all in good fun, it never turned ugly. Then there was a double stacker (with both) who would refuse to comment on which one was better. It happens every time we run into each other now lol
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Yep, exactly. I judge someone based on whether they have the knowledge to do the job, whether they are WILLING to do it, and most importantly are they willing to learn from mistakes.
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If they earned it, they earned it. Anyone can ask to go or ask for the hard assignments to be able to go
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