Posted on Nov 17, 2013
Should the Army uniform only show name and US Army? (Getting rid of patches and badges)?
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I just like the fact that Airforce, Navy and Marines only have the name rank and their respective branch. They all look the same and they all don't seem to have the judgements we have in the army. I mean we in the army have the unit patches, skill badges and deployment patch. I believe that the army should be the same as the other services.
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I completely agree with this and while we're at it, let's pull the stupid velcro off and go back to sew on, and go back to rank on the collars( pin on or sew on). Badges should be kept as well.
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In general not a bad idea except for two points. First it is a matter of esprit de corps and personal pride. Pride is a good thing in a Soldier. And second, sometimes it matters. When you are putting on your chute and need a Jumpmaster or a Rigger, it is good to see those wings.
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Roger Sir.
I would add the universally known truth. Seeing the same combat patch on another soldier instantly starts conversations that might never otherwise take place.
Espirit de corps would be affected by a loss of the unit patch and the former wartime service shoulder sleeve insignia (aka combat patch).
Badges are great but the 'one and done' representation of attending/passing the service school but never operating in the capacity seems near the point of fraud waste and abuse in today's financially savvy climate.
No offense intended to any former ROTCers out there but getting a slot at and succeeding in Pathfinder, Air Assault and Airborne schools then direct commissioning in a non-combat arms capacity proves those slots could have been much more appreciated by the units that actually need their personnel to have them.
I would add the universally known truth. Seeing the same combat patch on another soldier instantly starts conversations that might never otherwise take place.
Espirit de corps would be affected by a loss of the unit patch and the former wartime service shoulder sleeve insignia (aka combat patch).
Badges are great but the 'one and done' representation of attending/passing the service school but never operating in the capacity seems near the point of fraud waste and abuse in today's financially savvy climate.
No offense intended to any former ROTCers out there but getting a slot at and succeeding in Pathfinder, Air Assault and Airborne schools then direct commissioning in a non-combat arms capacity proves those slots could have been much more appreciated by the units that actually need their personnel to have them.
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I won't lie, I find it pretty impressive to see someone's accomplishments. I think it is perfectly fine. After all, they had to work hard for it. They earned it and should be able to show it off. I doubt its the case, but some may go through the training just to look bad-a something something. More power to them and their accomplishments.
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Interesting question. THe AF just finally allowed members to wear "tabs" earned from the sisters.
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and yet we don't wear any of our command or unit patches anymore, unless you're wearing bags
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All other debates withstanding, I am just anxious to get a camo pattern that actually works. UCP is a tragic failure.
I don't mind the cut of the ACU, but I would like to see the velcro go away for the most part. However, I have trouble with the buttons on the new ACU tops. The spacing for the wrist cuffs seems to be either too tight or too lose. My solution was to have alterations add a new button hole for me.
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One of the biggest things I have seen is the former marines coming over to the army and feeling left out with the combat patches. They decide to wear the 1st Marine Division (Guadalcanal) patch which is against regulation. That is one thing I wouldn't mind losing. I defenitely agree with CW2 Vann with leaving it for the dress uniform.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
I'm a prior Marine, and I correct other prior Marines for that all the time. I myself was guilty of it until I read the regulation.... I completely understand their position, I'd love to sport a 1st Marine Division patch too, but regs are regs, and it's just not authorized.
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I'm a former Marine also. I carry the 1st Mar Div patch in my right pocket, but I do not where it. I have seen a prior Airman wear his blue Air Force unit patch on the ACUs, but that didn't last long.
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Thanks for the info. I have been wearing my 1st Mar Patch. I will retire it to my pocket. Question...If it's against regs why is it even made available?
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The Department of the Navy, the United States Marine Corps (USMC), and the Air Force do not authorize wear of SSI. Therefore, personnel who served in one of the designated areas during one of the specified periods, but who were not members of the U.S. Army, are not authorized to wear the SSI–FWTS on their right shoulder.
Section 28.17 Page 239
Soldiers who served with the 1st Marine Division from 19 March 2003 to 21 April 2003 during combat operations in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom are authorized to wear the 1st Marine Division shoulder sleeve insignia as their SSI-FWTS.
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Only a total of three badges are authorized. The occupational, joint and duty badges are not job specific. The occupational does display the "field" that you are in, and the skill level. In the army: the "job" would be a welder and the "field" would be the ordinance corp, but the army doesn't display a skill level nor do they display the "field" you're in. Badges should only be displayed that are joint(parachutist, etc.) or duty(MTL/drill instructor, security/MP, etc.)
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I say keep them. All that I had was my EIB and my drill sergeant identification badge but I was proud of both and they do show people who and what you are. What is wrong with being proud of your accomplishments?
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SSG Turkezer,
I work in a joint environment and I have to say that the Air Force and Navy both wear patches which identify specialties on their uniforms, other than rank, name and branch. This means they do not all look uniform. For example, a Navy PO1 next to me currently has a warfare specialty patch indicating he is additionally qualified in "Enlisted information dominance warfare", while another Navy PO1 on the other side has both that AND a separate patch indicating he did 'fly' duty. The LTJG (O2) down the way doesn't have any additional patches yet because he hasn't tested in any specialties. If a Navy service member goes on a sub or does 'surface' duty, they also have different patches...
Air Force is the same way. You have a patch on your chest which shows which branch or MOS (AFSC) you are in, and if you have done special duty, like Air Crew, you wear that patch- and you continue to wear it even after you leave air crew. This is all according to the Navy and Air Force personnel around me. The Marine has left for PT, so I cannot inspect his uniform. I see no reason to have our various accouterments on our uniforms, and I am proud of my badges and patches.
I work in a joint environment and I have to say that the Air Force and Navy both wear patches which identify specialties on their uniforms, other than rank, name and branch. This means they do not all look uniform. For example, a Navy PO1 next to me currently has a warfare specialty patch indicating he is additionally qualified in "Enlisted information dominance warfare", while another Navy PO1 on the other side has both that AND a separate patch indicating he did 'fly' duty. The LTJG (O2) down the way doesn't have any additional patches yet because he hasn't tested in any specialties. If a Navy service member goes on a sub or does 'surface' duty, they also have different patches...
Air Force is the same way. You have a patch on your chest which shows which branch or MOS (AFSC) you are in, and if you have done special duty, like Air Crew, you wear that patch- and you continue to wear it even after you leave air crew. This is all according to the Navy and Air Force personnel around me. The Marine has left for PT, so I cannot inspect his uniform. I see no reason to have our various accouterments on our uniforms, and I am proud of my badges and patches.
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I think is fine the way we are right now, is part of a history, that what make us difference.
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