Posted on May 31, 2016
Should the CW5 rank be changed to something more recognizable?
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Due to the increasingly joint nature of operations within the DoD, and the expanded use of our most senior Warrant Officers in joint operations validated the need to standardize CW5 rank insignia. The Marine Corps and the Navy have both adopted CW5 bar with the stripe. Pic is of suggested new CW5 rank. It is a throwback to past WO Ranks, adds star (penile indicator) and is not mistaken for LT bar
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I personally believe the depicted ranks above are horrible. We are not General Officers nor are we Command Sergeants Major. Our rank should not attempt to emulate those ranks, in any way. We should keep things as they are and not be envious of Officers or Enlisted members. We are Warrant Officers. If we are required to change, it should change to the Eagle Rising. That, in my opinion, would be the only acceptable change. I remember being a Jr. Enlisted Soldier looking to the Eagle Rising for answers to questions no one else could answer.
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
Agree with the rising eagle as CW5 rank. Army did not go with that because in 1970 the CW5 rank was designed to be the same in all services for joint recognition. Not sure why when the Navy ranks are all different. Appreciate you inputs.
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CW4 Keith Dolliver
CW5 Andrew J. Foreman - Because in 1970 the Army WO rank was the same style as Navy, Marine, and AF WO rank (except we used brown instead of blue/red). The Army WO rank was changed to the current style in 1972.
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Right, we all need recognizable rank around here so we can tell who is in charge! Believe me, if you are really in charge you don't need recognizable rank to let people know.
My rank was how much I got paid each month. I earned any respect I received as a soldier, a leader and a good person, If I was in charge you knew it. I rarely wore rank even in uniform. Never had a problem, so my answer is no. Leave it alone. If anything bring back the squashed bug.
My rank was how much I got paid each month. I earned any respect I received as a soldier, a leader and a good person, If I was in charge you knew it. I rarely wore rank even in uniform. Never had a problem, so my answer is no. Leave it alone. If anything bring back the squashed bug.
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I would see the star and salute. CW5s would be getting saluted by most every O-6.
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
I put together the two rank, BG and proposed CW5 so you could see there would be no confusion. These are to scale as compared to each other. Not to measurement scale.
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Why? Is the current rank broke? What will this cost taxpayers? And the examples shown are...well let's say, not good.
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
Can't see much cost to taxpayers. The rank would be purchased by the service members. I am pretty sure CW5s can afford a new rank insignia! It is broke in the Army because it is too close to 1LT rank and often mistaken. If it very difficult to see, especially on the new OCP uniform.
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I remember about 9 years ago when I pinned on WO1 there were discussions about changing the CW5 rank and using the Eagle Rising as a CW6 rank if that rank was ever officially created, but that resembled more of the O6 full bird. Why don't they just make the CW5 rank consist of 5 blocks? What is the biggest argument for the change, because the current CW5 rank closely resembles the 1LT rank? Is there more to the discussion that I'm missing?
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
The warrant officer cohort is current engaged in a number of regulation updates to better reflex warrant officer ranks and protocols. The rank issue comes up but bigger issues to deal with. It was of interest to me in this forum.
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I like the rounding out of the rank and border (no confusion as a Lt bar) but why change the time honored pips, and the solid line is very recognizable, CWO5 is the only one to have anything like it. Update sure, but keep with tradition also.
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Todays W5 rank is mistaken of a 1st LT. I’ve had officers tell Chief Warrant Officer 5’s they were the old west LT they have ever seen. The old CW5 rank was way better.
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No. God doesn't need a rank insignia and neither do Master Warrant Officers. Sometimes less is more. MW5 is one of only three ranks in the military (the others being E-9 and O-10) where NOBODY messes with you. If you want to change the Army MW5 insignia - maybe try a black star on the silver bar.
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