Posted on Mar 28, 2016
MSG Shawn Eaton
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H&W and PT test seem to be a controversial discussion nowadays. Some say H&W shouldn't matter if the Soldiers are fit enough to pass the requirements. Some say the standards where set for the older generations before now. Some say PT is the only way to measure leadership and discipline. What are your thoughts?!!
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SGT Training Room Ncoic
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I don't think someone should be flagged for being over weight just because they are over weight. I think they should knock out the shoe tape system. I've never been taped but I think if they want to do something about someone's weight give them an actual higher pt standard.
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SFC Antonio Nieto
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Of course it matters, both need to sync in if you do know pass hight and weight you do not get an
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SSG Fire Team Leader
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According to the fm and ar, fitness starts with the body composition program. The stress of extra body weight that isn't lean muscle can hold a soldier back. Let's face it, a 180 pt score is the minimum, and that's not much of anything when it comes to the battlefield. A fit soldier is the key, and anyone toting around 18 to 24% body fat isn't going to be that fit.
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SrA Edward Vong
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Height and weight boils down to a matter of image. Yes, they may be able to do the job, but do you want that individual representing the US military?

This is where the discussion lies. Personally, I would want to say no. And this goes for the same reason clothing companies like A&F, American Eagle, and Hollister only hire people of a specific demographic. To add to this. I work at a company where you can wear more or less whatever you want (Although if you have to question it, don't wear it). The ones who don't dress business casual are generally looked down upon.

It sucks, but image is important as well.
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MSgt Electrical Systems
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The answer is simple: NO!
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SFC Marcus Belt
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No. If any professions should be a pragmatic one, it should be the profession of arms. Basic neatness and proper wear of uniforms is important, but the height/weight (assuming the Soldier meets fitness performance standards) make less sense the question and answer portion of a beauty contest.

They are relics from a time when conventional armies lined up against conventional armies and slugged it out.

You know what would make more sense in the modern environment? A beard-growing contest, because the opponents we face now are more likely to be impressed by a majestic beard than they are by how someone looks in their dress uniform.

That said, I currently get paid to enforce the current standards, no matter how antiquated.
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SFC Motor Transport Operator
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NO this height and weight program we have really sucks , it needs to be retweaked.
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SSG Civil Affairs Nco
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I really hate flagging Soldiers for H&W after they nailed the APFT. But regs are there for a reason.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Since it does affect how you appear in Uniform, I would say yes but there needs to be a new system because all current Body Fat Measurements are incredibly flawed as noted by the Medical Community.
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CW4 Unmanned Aircraft Systems Operations Technician
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I don't think passing would be enough to waive the H/W or Body Comp requirements. However, if you can get a 300 then it should be a no-brainer.
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