Posted on Dec 9, 2014
Should the military allow privatized grocery stores on post instead to take their place in the U.S.?
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With the massive cuts to the DECA budget, Commissaries are struggling to keep their doors open. From my experience, commissaries are essential overseas and must be priority. For CONUS, would private businesses be a viable option? Why or Why not?
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They need to concentrate on keeping the stores overseas open for business. That is where they are needed most. It is insanely expensive in Europe and other places abroad.
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This is definitely a good topic of discussion. I appreciate you (SFC Jackson) for posting the article:
http://www.military.com/military-report/proposed-aafes-and-deca-merger
If the budget concerns continue to move toward change, then I definitely feel that the OCONUS facilities must remain in place. As for CONUS, if the DECA/AAFES merger is not foreseen or otherwise proven to be beneficial FOR THE SERVICE MEMBERS (key words), then the establishment of an 'outside business' may become necessary. I'm curious as to whether it would be better for a single corporation (Wal*Mart?) to get a DoD contract or would it be more beneficial to allow the establishments local to each installation? There is so much to be considered.
In the end, as long as the BEST INTEREST OF THE SERVICE MEMBERS is not lost, then I support whatever decision(s) are made in the future.
http://www.military.com/military-report/proposed-aafes-and-deca-merger
If the budget concerns continue to move toward change, then I definitely feel that the OCONUS facilities must remain in place. As for CONUS, if the DECA/AAFES merger is not foreseen or otherwise proven to be beneficial FOR THE SERVICE MEMBERS (key words), then the establishment of an 'outside business' may become necessary. I'm curious as to whether it would be better for a single corporation (Wal*Mart?) to get a DoD contract or would it be more beneficial to allow the establishments local to each installation? There is so much to be considered.
In the end, as long as the BEST INTEREST OF THE SERVICE MEMBERS is not lost, then I support whatever decision(s) are made in the future.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
Nicely stated, SSG Bryant! We don't want to lose sight of the best interests of the service member
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The price difference btw commissaries and private grocery stores is significant. I know the big chains have been lobbying for years to get into military bases and stop the commissaries from out competing them on price. I would hate to see this happen.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
The commissaries over the years have been significantly less expensive; mainly, they can do this because they were be subsidized by the government. Since the government is cutting 2/3 of their budget by Oct 2017, not sure they will continue to be cheaper
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I grew up on Army bases and I can say the Commissary was THE place to shop on the big bases. Recently however you have a better selection and comparable prices (even after taxes) at Wal-Mart vs the commissaries and the PX. I think OCONUS should be the priority and bring in a local, privately run store that is tax free on the bases. Let them worry about making their profits while still assisting the soldiers.
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no, no , no, private companies are a way for congress to say we don't care about soldiers, we just care for the money privates companies make us. If you are rich you do not care, if you make good money you care less, but those families that are struggling will suffer more. What they need to do is cut the head of the company down, CEO's, Vice Presidents, region managers, area managers, district managers, general managers, store managers should take a pay cut of at least 10%, and I bet you the economy will go up instantly.
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MSG Brad Sand
SFC Olivero Rodriguez
I might agree with you if the Commissary or PX/BX were selling item for less than the WalMarts and Super Targets are to our solders? The reason the Commissary and PX/BXs are in trouble is because the super stores are eating their lunch? Let's go for a Win Win.
I might agree with you if the Commissary or PX/BX were selling item for less than the WalMarts and Super Targets are to our solders? The reason the Commissary and PX/BXs are in trouble is because the super stores are eating their lunch? Let's go for a Win Win.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
So I read this brief article about aafes and the commissary potentially merging because the budget is being cut from $1.2 billion to $400 million. With that kind of hit, even cutting labor isn't enough to absorb the bang. I included the link. check it out
http://www.military.com/military-report/proposed-aafes-and-deca-merger
http://www.military.com/military-report/proposed-aafes-and-deca-merger
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SFC Keith Frain
Funny thing to bring up, I only say this because I make the trek to the commissary rather than use HEB (Texas grocery chain), Super Walmart or Target grocery stores. After retirement, I moved off post and decided to shop in the civilian side. I used the 3 that I mentioned above, and after a year and half now, my decision to go back is truthfully warranted. I am a single dad with 2 toddlers, and I eat pretty healthy choices, and along those choices are my favorites, which are meats and vegetables. Hands down, I can say the commissary is unbeatable in these two areas alone. I even went so far as to purchase the same items at 3 locations in 3 months... The prices for meat are astronomically different. I remember when the holidays would come and my ex mother in law would go with me and we would stock up for the dinners, she always commented on how unfair it is that we had such luxuries... that is why I divorced my wife. . . lol just kidding. As someone stated in the forum earlier, let the private sector come in, but at the same cost that the commissary provides, i. e., Tax free, and prices. The only problem with that is simply that it isn't lucrative for them if they can't turn a buck. I only say this because he also said that the military support they would be providing wouldn't hurt them because they could recoup their money elsewhere. The sad part about that is grocer stores don't give military discounts. BTW, in my own frugal defense... I may be retired and collecting a check, but I am a full time student, and kids are expensive! lol.
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OCONUS Commissaries should most definitely be the priority, and while I would hate to see the CONUS based commissaries close (we do all of our major grocery shopping at the commissary) I don't see any advantage to moving a private store onto installations. Their pricing would be on par with their stores off installation and most families live off post anyway.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
Whereas many military families live off post, I was thinking about single, unaccompanied, and service members that live on post housing should also still have access to it. That's why I tend to favor moving private stores on post rather than depending on off post resources
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MSG Wade Huffman
SFC Michael Jackson, MBA , I see your point... alternatively, so serve the needs of the service members living on post, AAFES (or NEX) could simply expand their lines in the shopettes or take over the commissaries as a 'for profit' rather than 'break even'. Either of these would more than likely be more viable since they already have facilities and relationships on the installations.
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I never understood why almost all of the items have to be name brand. Could be an agreement they have with General Mills and the rest? I'd be happy buying generic brands if it meant saving money.
I'm not opposed to private business, but it could open a new can of worms regarding profit margins if they're not careful. Especially for the overseas commissaries, if a private business takes over they own the market and could set the price unless measures were taken to ensure it doesn't get out of hand.
I'm not opposed to private business, but it could open a new can of worms regarding profit margins if they're not careful. Especially for the overseas commissaries, if a private business takes over they own the market and could set the price unless measures were taken to ensure it doesn't get out of hand.
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There was a time when the PX/BX and Commissary were the place to shop...but I think your question has merit here in CONUS, especially if a WalMart/Target?ETC was given a tax break on the installation...the tax break was the only thing the Commissary and PX have going for them now?
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