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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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How about you try to be a Parachute Rigger, and then come tell me about destroyed bodies. Then give being a 88M a try and see how endless convoy operations sit on you. Operators are more highly regarded and deservingly so. I haven't had to have this blue cord bullshit conversation in over a decade because I obviously know a higher grade of soldier than you are sarnt. As for your "true warrior" comment, for christ's sake man I would love to hear you tell the troops that have been blown to shit by IEDs that they aren't warriors. If you want to be elite get a Tab, a Scroll, or Delta designation, if not, and your content to be seen as a guy who failed the ASVAB for your entire career then fine, left right left your dumb leg self all around post and paint a curb and shut the hell up. No Wings, no Tabs, no Scroll, no ambition.
It might not have been intended to be a put-down but you didn't take the time to word it in a way to convey your thoughts without coming off as a dumb grunt. You give the Infantry a bad name.
It might not have been intended to be a put-down but you didn't take the time to word it in a way to convey your thoughts without coming off as a dumb grunt. You give the Infantry a bad name.
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I would hate for my brothers to look down on me for not being combat arms. That would make me less of a soldier if I gave them more respect than others. We all go through the same things, he'll I've seen some 42a's with a c.a.b. And more ribbons than a grunt so
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MSG (Join to see) - I can answer that question. The very same way my buddy cook can get CAB. All of our cooks either got pulled on tower/gate guard or on Humvee patrols when there was "shortage of men". We was in Ramadi in 2006, so you could figure out the rest. Sometimes you get "infantrolled" to do infantry job.
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SPC Ilya Arkadiev - Like I said, good on them. Just a little bitter, I guess, since the Medical Task Force I fell under made it DAMN NEAR impossible to get one with the paperwork requirements to award them.
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I don't know about units you was attached to sergeant, but where I was CAB was basically awarded only to people who met this kind of criteria: 1) basically lived outside of the wire AND 2) got shot at or shot directly by/at the enemy. Basically on the level of CIB. OR 3) Got Purple Heart (not just recommended, but actually got the award). 4) Death.
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So you saying my ass walking in front of 11B towards the enemy and driving around just to get the case of IEDs and being shot at or doing SQB, raids, foot patrols, basically everything infantry is except in name. As 19D required to basically breathe down the enemy's neck until infantry shows up doesn't make 19D being placed into high tegard? Or perhaps those line combat engineers who had been busy taking down buildingx in Falujiah or Ramadi with explosives, or those combat engineers clearing obstacles on the Omaha Beach are not to be considered at higher regard?
Ummmmm. Wake up and smell coffee, oh wait you wouldn't be able to unless a cook got up hours before to start preparing and cooking the food.
There is so much I could say about this post, but I won't.
All I can say is come back to the real world and deflate your ego. Without the support guys you would be worthless. Hopefully you realize that sooner than later.
There is so much I could say about this post, but I won't.
All I can say is come back to the real world and deflate your ego. Without the support guys you would be worthless. Hopefully you realize that sooner than later.
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If a man/woman is truly respectable, his attitude, his work and accomplishments will speak for himself. Asking for extra "respect" shows disrespect to others, it is condescending. At the end we all die the same, how do we judge who have given more? Only the ones who had died for our country deserve extra respect. Many of them weren't infantrymen or special forces soldiers, but don't see them running around asking for it, do we?
Oh wait... They can't coz they are all dead...
Oh wait... They can't coz they are all dead...
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There is a warrior class. 3 actually, 1) operators, 2) infantry 3) anyone else with a CAB. Then there's the rest of us.
No, non-warrior class Soldiers don't need to be treating you like you won the MOH. There may be a lot of us who aren't "Warriors" per my definition above, but we are all Soldiers.
No, non-warrior class Soldiers don't need to be treating you like you won the MOH. There may be a lot of us who aren't "Warriors" per my definition above, but we are all Soldiers.
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From Animal Farm by George Orwell.......
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all ... ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" Chapter 10, pg. 112.
As an "Infantryman with a terminal case of Dumb-ass" I can categorically state that warriors are warriors and some are closer to the tip of the spear than others but they are all warriors. Neither can do without the other.
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all ... ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" Chapter 10, pg. 112.
As an "Infantryman with a terminal case of Dumb-ass" I can categorically state that warriors are warriors and some are closer to the tip of the spear than others but they are all warriors. Neither can do without the other.
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You can't mandate "regard" any more than you can mandate respect...It's earned! That said, your question reminds me of something often repeated by folks in my first AF Specialty: "Without AMMO the Air Force is just another poorly ran Airline". Somehow, I think it's the same in the Army, without support the Operators would have a very short lifespan.
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Kind of like the difference between aircrew and ground-pounders in the AF?
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I do know there is a difference between fighter pilots and non fighter pilots. But it is recognized and respected.
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SFC (Join to see), When I was in there was a pecking order among pilots from unarmed reconnaissance, to fighter, to bomber, to cargo; and among aircrew from pilots to WAO, to navigators and down to crew members - but ALL aircrew were considered above ANY ground-pounder.
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I would also say I've talked with many fighter pilots who think that kicking doors is cool and that they wish they could do it. I was floored by that comment as I felt the same way about theirs.
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