Should the military create a warrior class?

Remember that mission? Outside the wire on the outskirts of the A.O. No immediate support. If not you're a POG.

there's this thing in the army where people re-up to do something else, there's a whole lot of the support MOSs that are filled with people that were originally combat arms, and some people's bodies age worse than others, discovering that I had osteopoikilosis while I was a medic in the 82d, told me that the 82d probably wasn't a good place for me, and when the arthritis kicked in in my late 30's, told me that it was time to become an 88M, and that's how I went to Iraq in a HET

I agree 100%. I could never do that job nor would I ever volunteer for it. There should be tiered VA benefits that take MOS into account. Props to Combat Arms!!!

You know how they say "if you can't say something good.................? But someone is really a few fries short of a happy meal.

I see what you are trying to get at. I think we already have some favoritism already. But at no time should be treated better than others due to being Infantry. If there is a Logistics CPT that is telling me something I will still call him Sir and Salute. Just because I am infantry doesn't give me a pass. I It is a bit dangerous to play this game. It will also happen into the Infantry. You will see those that are Airborne given more respect and even more so those with Ranger Tabs. It would be chaos.

Dude, getting the help you need isn't going to be easy, but nothing about your chosen profession is or was easy I'm guessing. Give it a try before asking GO's to change the way the treat non-infantry types for PTSD.

Yea, you just have it so tough, SFC. Cry me a river.

I'm in an Airborne Infantry Battalion. Lots of tabs, scrolls and every badge imaginable. Guess who gets the accolades for how well an operation went down. The Forward Support Company. Always there, always on time. The only thanks you need is the "privilege" of wearing that blue cord on your uniform. That sets you apart. Wear it with pride.

Blah, Blah, Blah, same old infantry is special routine. I've been a supply SGT my whole career and up until recently I've only been with combat arms. You guys are not special, some combat arms not all but a large majority are a bunch of whiney pre-Madonna's. You are no better than anybody else everybody has there own part to play. However you keep believing that your special and remember one day you have to leave the Army. I don't want to be 40 and keep walk or get a decent job because "grunt" doesn't look good on a resume.

Ok Rambo lets get real it takes support from other specific support units to make it work.

Yes

How about you try to be a Parachute Rigger, and then come tell me about destroyed bodies. Then give being a 88M a try and see how endless convoy operations sit on you. Operators are more highly regarded and deservingly so. I haven't had to have this blue cord bullshit conversation in over a decade because I obviously know a higher grade of soldier than you are sarnt. As for your "true warrior" comment, for christ's sake man I would love to hear you tell the troops that have been blown to shit by IEDs that they aren't warriors. If you want to be elite get a Tab, a Scroll, or Delta designation, if not, and your content to be seen as a guy who failed the ASVAB for your entire career then fine, left right left your dumb leg self all around post and paint a curb and shut the hell up. No Wings, no Tabs, no Scroll, no ambition.


It might not have been intended to be a put-down but you didn't take the time to word it in a way to convey your thoughts without coming off as a dumb grunt. You give the Infantry a bad name.

I would hate for my brothers to look down on me for not being combat arms. That would make me less of a soldier if I gave them more respect than others. We all go through the same things, he'll I've seen some 42a's with a c.a.b. And more ribbons than a grunt so

So you saying my ass walking in front of 11B towards the enemy and driving around just to get the case of IEDs and being shot at or doing SQB, raids, foot patrols, basically everything infantry is except in name. As 19D required to basically breathe down the enemy's neck until infantry shows up doesn't make 19D being placed into high tegard? Or perhaps those line combat engineers who had been busy taking down buildingx in Falujiah or Ramadi with explosives, or those combat engineers clearing obstacles on the Omaha Beach are not to be considered at higher regard?

Ummmmm. Wake up and smell coffee, oh wait you wouldn't be able to unless a cook got up hours before to start preparing and cooking the food.
There is so much I could say about this post, but I won't.

All I can say is come back to the real world and deflate your ego. Without the support guys you would be worthless. Hopefully you realize that sooner than later.

If a man/woman is truly respectable, his attitude, his work and accomplishments will speak for himself. Asking for extra "respect" shows disrespect to others, it is condescending. At the end we all die the same, how do we judge who have given more? Only the ones who had died for our country deserve extra respect. Many of them weren't infantrymen or special forces soldiers, but don't see them running around asking for it, do we?





Oh wait... They can't coz they are all dead...

There is a warrior class. 3 actually, 1) operators, 2) infantry 3) anyone else with a CAB. Then there's the rest of us.

No, non-warrior class Soldiers don't need to be treating you like you won the MOH. There may be a lot of us who aren't "Warriors" per my definition above, but we are all Soldiers.

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.......
"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all ... ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" Chapter 10, pg. 112.

As an "Infantryman with a terminal case of Dumb-ass" I can categorically state that warriors are warriors and some are closer to the tip of the spear than others but they are all warriors. Neither can do without the other.

You can't mandate "regard" any more than you can mandate respect...It's earned! That said, your question reminds me of something often repeated by folks in my first AF Specialty: "Without AMMO the Air Force is just another poorly ran Airline". Somehow, I think it's the same in the Army, without support the Operators would have a very short lifespan.

Kind of like the difference between aircrew and ground-pounders in the AF?