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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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I have to go always with what Colonel Smallfield and the others have said; we are all on the same team; many support personnel have given life or limb; also, without them the 11 Bangs or the Green Berets couldn't operate. I understand your pride in being part of the Army that takes the point, but its wrong to communicate that pride in a way that implies an elitist class. I will give you 2 things however; you did acknowledge the Medics and Corpsmen; I have a very high regard for those Soldiers and Sailors who provide front-line medical support. Also, as one who has never served in a combat arm, nor been deployed; I do feel a compulsion to salute them (even if they are lower rank than me) and thank them for their service. However, I also take pride in being (present tense--yes still a soldier for life!) part of the team that includes those soldiers and sees that they are taken care of.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Yes, you want to talk about warriors, medics and corpsmen. They face all the same danger and aren't out there to have people tell them they are heroes. They are always viewed with the highest regard because they are truly selfless. My respect to all of them here on RP.
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I think they already are treated with higher regard. I'm support- I fix electronics, satcom, computers, etc. But, I'm no combat medic or special operator or infantryman even. Those folks see the worst of it, generally. I don't think they're better than me but I totally appreciate their significant sacrifice and risk to life and limb.
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Who was counting MOS's at Khe Sahn, Dak To, Ia drang Valley, LZ X-ray, the Megong Delta, DA Nang. Hue-Phu Bai, Hill 375, Hamburger Hill
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PO2 Ron Burling
PO1 (Join to see) - Absolutely right, and when TET opened up in '68, everyone was infantry. I know, I was there between Hue and Phu Bai. Having said that, I always held a bit more respect for the actual war fighters than those we never saw 'outside the wire', and while they were always welcome, when the SHTF the Marine 03XX guys were even more welcome. As Seabees, we were badasses, but our Marine buddies were even more so! Even today when I see any uniform, the first thing I look for is any indication that the person wearing it has actually "seen the elephant". I'm about to get my first tattoo, at 69 years old I want to get my CAR on my forearm.
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SSgt Liam Babington
Having been a medic at one point in my career and been assigned to a light infantry unit, with out the rear with the gear guys....we would have been screwed!!
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I was a 42A (admin) after doing 11 yrs in infantry in the 82d, I am now retired with a bad back, a bad heart were they induced a heart attack with all the shots and still deployed and ended up kicking in doors so not everyone in those other MOS's is a pogue. Without them you would not get paid, eat, or have equipment. I've seen both sides and it all kills your body
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SFC Robert Esquivel,
With all due respect, I have no clue what you are asking. We are/were ALL warriors. Yes, 11B troops go on to more intensive physical activity than say me, as a 24K10, then a 24K30. I was an electronics technician in ADA units. Those assignments however were all over the world and the U.S. and NOT physically demanding. But please, stop to think for a moment about the mental prowess we had to have to have kept 4 missile batteries "UP" and in a "Green Status", hundreds of modules that required constant tuning on a test bed that was 8' wide and 5' tall in a hardened "shell" that could act as fire control and loaded on a deuce & a 1/2 for mobility. It took 4 radars and 3 launchers with 3 missiles each plus the control shells to complete an entire battery. Mental Stress is as demanding on the human body as is physical stress. 11B BN's were "behind us" until we cleared the skies. We too, are/were WARRIORS. You have no valid question. Every MOS is a warrior class.
Thank You,
Rick
With all due respect, I have no clue what you are asking. We are/were ALL warriors. Yes, 11B troops go on to more intensive physical activity than say me, as a 24K10, then a 24K30. I was an electronics technician in ADA units. Those assignments however were all over the world and the U.S. and NOT physically demanding. But please, stop to think for a moment about the mental prowess we had to have to have kept 4 missile batteries "UP" and in a "Green Status", hundreds of modules that required constant tuning on a test bed that was 8' wide and 5' tall in a hardened "shell" that could act as fire control and loaded on a deuce & a 1/2 for mobility. It took 4 radars and 3 launchers with 3 missiles each plus the control shells to complete an entire battery. Mental Stress is as demanding on the human body as is physical stress. 11B BN's were "behind us" until we cleared the skies. We too, are/were WARRIORS. You have no valid question. Every MOS is a warrior class.
Thank You,
Rick
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Sorry, I do not buy your argument. Everyone that is actively serving, or a veteran, deserves respect. What are we suppose to do; bow when ever we are in the presence of a "True Warrior?" Any MOS can be called upon to pick up arms at any time. In my book, you have to earn respect if you want to be treated with respect.
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Seriously? How were you even able to post this? A close friend of mine, a CI guy, spent more time off the camp then we did conducting activities. So in his defense and those like him, you should go f#%^ yourself.
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This is a slippery slope that you are suggesting. If put in place, it reminds me of the train of thought from North Korea. And we all know how well that's working. Personally I think the idea is asinine. There is already enough of a divide between grunts and pogues or pogs or whatever you call them these days. If you were serious about this, you would be suggesting that all soldiers go through infantry training school, and then they could go on to MOS specific training. But I am a Marine that's been out 25 years, so what do I know?
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Sgt Joseph Baker
I am starting my own group of Avionics Warriors, and we will forever refer to everyone else and POATs (People Other than Avionics Technicians). No grunt that has not completed our entire training program will not be recognized as true warriors. Oh, wait, I'm a Marine, we don't have sub-clubs. Damn! The Army has all the fun clubs!
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Our Army 11-series and Marine 03-series are taught to think that way because it is what is necessary to build the espirit de corps and brotherhood that makes people willing to walk and run towards bullets. We ask them to defy logic and self-preservation instincts. They must believe they are the baddest MF-er in the valley.
Take it for what it's worth - but no one can insult or offend you without you choosing to be insulted or offended. Look at why it bothers you so much. I'm a retired Intel guy and I'm not offended.
Take it for what it's worth - but no one can insult or offend you without you choosing to be insulted or offended. Look at why it bothers you so much. I'm a retired Intel guy and I'm not offended.
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Great post. I’ve been in many formations(infantry units) when senior leaders spoke down of pogs and implied we were bigger, badder, and better than all others. It’s the mindset we need. Maybe things have changed. We do live in a time where everyone is offended by everything and everyone gets a trophy. For all the talk on this site about political correctness, so many here are and can’t admit it. The younger generations have been conditioned to be soft and PC.
Great post. I’ve been in many formations(infantry units) when senior leaders spoke down of pogs and implied we were bigger, badder, and better than all others. It’s the mindset we need. Maybe things have changed. We do live in a time where everyone is offended by everything and everyone gets a trophy. For all the talk on this site about political correctness, so many here are and can’t admit it. The younger generations have been conditioned to be soft and PC.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Yes, but Marine grunts also know that their POG Marines also get deployed to forward areas that get attacked and everyone swinging dick is expected to grab his rifle and jump in a foxhole. Places like Khe Sanh ring a bell?
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See my comment below. You have a serious EGO and self worth problem and most likely need serious counseling.
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