Posted on Dec 1, 2015
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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.

Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.

The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.

This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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CAPT Senior Principal Policy Analyst
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The military already is the warrior class. I believe pilots in all services have a higher mortality rate than grunts. We all do what we do. The machine works best when all the parts work well together. As Belichick says to each and every member of the football team, "Do your job."
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Sgt Joseph Baker
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Good point about how pilots are always 'on-point' and have the most advanced weapons thrown at them. Definitely warriors.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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I find it interesting that so many warriors who do not work with POGs know so much about our training schedules, capabilities and contributions.

I also think it's a bit arrogant when infantrymen place their skill level in the same category as operators.
I mean, I'd love to believe I'm a princess and I should be "treated with higher regard" but in reality, I am not :(
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Just hand me my bayonet and tiara and let's see what I can do lol ;)
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Very funny,indeed!!! You have a sense of humor to balance your insight! (That, by the way is a mark of "noblesse-oblige". I have a question, what is a POG? I have tried to figure it out from the commentary but in vain (being an infantry type I am not too bright).
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Well thank you good sir! I figure those with no sense of humor just go crazy.
Simply put, a POG is a "person other than a grunt".
A "grunt" is generally known to be an infantryman however there are many combat arms gentlemen who consider themselves to be grunts as well. I hope this helps!
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SSG V. Michelle Woods - Thank you! It did help. I was very puzzled by that. I thought it was an official set of army initials! I couldn't concur more about the necessity of a sense of humor in the military whether it is in the front line or the rear area (I did some staff work at a brigade HQ in Conus).
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MSG Special Forces Senior Sergeant
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That is ridicilous, I have been an "operator" for over 16 years. I am usually deployed 8-10 months a year and I am thankful that there are guys to do all the support work. I love my job and I don't need anyone to pay me on the back for it. I would not be able to do my job as effectively if support guys weren't there to fix my vehicles, provide me Ammo, fix my pay, or any other job that needs to be done to support my mission. your worth and validation should come from how you feel about your job performance.
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CPO Steelworker
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As a Seabee who has supported you guy's thank you for your comment.
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I knew a guy that reclassed from 15P who did the 2 week ARNG "shake and bake" 11B course. Never deployed as an 11B. Referred to himself as an operator. Yeah right. His only "operator" job was answering the phone, "G3, MSG Campbell"....... Thanks for keeping it real, MSG Terkos. Had the pleasure of doing airdrops from the Sherpa with real operators from varied services. Was an honor and a pleasure to assist.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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Benefits for the Warrior Class:
Cut to the front of the line at the chow hall (DFAC)
First pick of the MREs
Skips out on Monday Command Maintenance (make the non WC do the work)
Free six pack of beer from the class 6 once a month
Free Planet Fitness gym membership
Authorized to wear the dress blue jacket, thongs, and shower shoes
After retirement, they get to be their own shrimp boat captain
Free Smart car
And what ever ridiculous think someone can think of.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
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Every service member should have a warrior mentality. Combat arms, aviation or support, male or female. Entering data, repairing electronics or taking dental x-rays is in reality your secondary job. First and foremost you are here to cefend your country and it's citizens against violent individuals who would do then harm. Take them out, shoot them stab them.. use your bare hands if you have to,
Being in a certain MOS doesnt give you automatic respect and prestige. It's the professionalism of the individuals that will gain respect.
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Careful there, First Sgt.! With such erudite profound pronouncements like that you’ll ruin the Corps’ image as a bunch “jar heads” all on your own!
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Cpl Brad MarkW
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Ooh f'n rah!
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Robert, we give reverence to amazing things and SOF is really tough to earn. But we are all service men and women. To give some mandated extra respects takes away from respect being earned. I didn't correct a ranger on standard army passion movement hand signals out of respect even though he was wrong. By not getting petty with the details I made a friend. Would you rather carry a badge of honor from within our a patch that makes you feel a little more special? All of our roles from door kick to dust off are intermingled. Door kicking carries the brunt of the danger, but my hawk is coming into the hot lz to exfil you. In the end it's about the brotherhood and coming home to a country not in flames. I'd not set the Joes up to run away from jumping on that grenade simply because one of the other guys nearby had that special patch.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
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I again point out more service men and women died in Desert Storm while sleeping in their bunk in the barracks in Saudi Arabia than in other direct action against the enemy. Do I want to kick doors in Fallujah? No. But indirect fire kills far more people than small arms fire, so everyone within range of enemy heavy weapons faces danger every day they are in a combat theater. I respect people who strive to 'be the best', but it's a team, right?
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Oh wow. Get over yourself. I have mad respect for the guys that turn and burn on the frontline. Except for douche bags like you. The ones who whine about not getting enough respect are ALWAYS the ones who deserve it the least.
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SGT Information Security Governance Analyst
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No one is more professional than I. I am a Noncommissioned Officer, a leader of soldiers. As a Noncommissioned Officer, I realize that I am a member of a time honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am proud of the Corps of Noncommissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.

Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain technically and tactically proficient. I am aware of my role as a Noncommissioned Officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own. I will communicate consistently with my soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I will be fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and punishment.

Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders. I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget that we are professionals, Noncommissioned Officers, leaders!

SFC, remember the words above? I'm sure you have said them before in a leadership school...but you, in no way, shape or form exemplify these words when you make a comment like this... You want extra "kudos"?...You're in the wrong profession, friend. You sound more like a millennial recruit than a seasoned senior Non-commissioned Officer. We all play our role. I feel sorry for the Soldiers for which you have been entrusted to lead.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
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You forget, he's an Army of One.
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COL Charles Williams
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First, I treat our tip of the spear warriors with the highest regard. They are why all the rest of us support Soldiers exist. But, warriors are more than just the Infantry, Armor, and Operators brother... SFC (Join to see). This is team sport, and you need us more than you can fathom.... You will never get that, until we are not there. But, that too is OK, because we know we matter and that you can't succeed without us. I have had many units (squads and platoons) respond to support (help) conventional infantry in contact, and operators too. Try and do what you do without the rest of us. I do consider(ed) myself a warrior, and my branch warriors. MPs, Engineers, etc . deploy at at least 3 x the rate of the troops we support... So who are really the warriors in our Army? We all are in my view and a cast system is needed nor useful. Just my pogue point of view.
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CPT Quentin von Éfáns-Taráfdar
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As I commented previously, "It wouldn't be the army as we know it" without support troops.
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My initial reaction was to laugh at what sounded like a joke. Sadly that seems to not be the case here. I do have one question though for you....what do you mean by warrior class? Do you want a reserved parking space next to the O6 or head of line privileges at the DFAC? I mean that sounded like the drivel I'd hear from a 13 try old playing Call of Duty in Mom's basement not from a senior NCO and a "quiet professional" if indeed you are an operator. The more I think about what you wrote the more infuriated I get.

As a lowly Apache pilot I may not be down running around the mountainside with the infantry but you can be damned sure than when a call comes out over the radio we are there to stick our necks out no matter if it's an A team that made the call or some PVT who got assigned to ride along on the Buffalo for a trip down the MSR. Let me strap you into this small cockpit for at least 9 hrs a day with one day off every 14 and you can join the rest of with any number of back and neck injuries. I can't count the number of us non elites who have had at least one surgery. Oh and by the way bring a few Gatorade bottles to piss in because shutting down and climbing out isn't an option.

One last thing for you to consider since Nov 20th 4 of my friends have died in two seperated crashes conducting training flights to fly in support of ground forces.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
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Thanks CW! Can I assume you view the soldiers that keep that crazy spinning wing of yours turning while you are 10,000 feet in the air supporting some grunt as your heroes? I bet you do.
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