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I believe Infantry and Operators should be treated with a higher regard in the military.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
Even officers and NCOs of all other military specialties should show respect to our nation's true warriors.
The general military is doing a good job of promoting everyone is a warrior but those non combat arms specialties do not train or destroy their bodies like true combatants. I would even say that infantry line medics and navy corpsman that are attached to the marines deserve the same regard.
This is not intended as a put down of other specialties but an awareness that some put in more than others in combat arms.
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You sound like a real douche, SFC Esquivel. Are you sure you're not a millennial? Judging by your need for praise, is it safe to assume you participated in every campaign if OIF like I did? Were you in Iraq during every calendar year from 2003-2011 like I was? Or do just like to grow your beard? You're a freakin' "spotlight ranger".
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I understand your comment and had a similar thoughts. The Army is a Team of Teams. All jobs in the Army are important. The War Fighters are the tip of the spear, but the other jobs ensure the tip is sharp. There are folks who work in acquisition that may never step on to the battle field, but their contributions to the Army Team is just as great as the Soldier at the tactical level using equipment procured by them. The Army 20lbs brain who is testing the next gen body armor may never see combat, but he or she will save countless lives.
Its tough on todays battle fields. The fight is no longer linear. The introduction of the CAB for non-combat arms Soldiers performing combat arms actions shows the Warrior Class is larger than Combat Arms MOS's. If they create one. Plus I know some Soldiers who earned a CIB that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I am an EOD Soldier, where would I fit in the hierarchy? I have seen my share of combat from Sadar City to Momamadia (SP?)
I am cautious with labels, answer me this? Where do "non-combat troops", like the ones our President says are in Afghanistan come from? Is their another branch that we don't know about? Do theses Soldiers go to Non-Combat AIT? No, they don't. They are Soldiers just like us. Labels make people who don't know any better feel good. At the end of the day, you know who you are and what you have done. Creating a "class" wont change that. I see people using it as a way to stroke their egos which isn't conducive of team players.
Its tough on todays battle fields. The fight is no longer linear. The introduction of the CAB for non-combat arms Soldiers performing combat arms actions shows the Warrior Class is larger than Combat Arms MOS's. If they create one. Plus I know some Soldiers who earned a CIB that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I am an EOD Soldier, where would I fit in the hierarchy? I have seen my share of combat from Sadar City to Momamadia (SP?)
I am cautious with labels, answer me this? Where do "non-combat troops", like the ones our President says are in Afghanistan come from? Is their another branch that we don't know about? Do theses Soldiers go to Non-Combat AIT? No, they don't. They are Soldiers just like us. Labels make people who don't know any better feel good. At the end of the day, you know who you are and what you have done. Creating a "class" wont change that. I see people using it as a way to stroke their egos which isn't conducive of team players.
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Hey bro, I'm a SFC infantryman. I understand everything you mean in your post. 90% of the rest of the infantrymen understands your post as well. I'll just say this brother...don't bother with expressing your opinion about what we do because it's no use. The whole "everyone is a rifleman" mantra that the Army established years ago has everyone who is not infantry believing that they do everything we as infantrymen were born, and bred in infantry OSUT to do. You can talk to a cook, commo specialist, FO, tanker, cav scout, MP supply clerk, truck driver, mechanic, band member, etc and they will claim that in some way shape or form they've done what we as infantrymen do. Everyone claims it's easy to do what we do but yet they don't make the decision to change there MOS and truly dive into the depth of the infantry craft. Notice I said craft...Because what we do is a craft and takes special dedicated MEN to do it. Like the comedian Paul Mooney said "everybody wants to be a N-word but nobody wants to be a N-word". It's the same with this discussion...everybody wants to be a grunt but nobody wants to be a grunt and go thru the true training and suck we go thru to earn the blue cord, blue discs, EIB, and CIB. Nobody wants to go thru the suck of ranger school, or sniper school, or LRSLC (now RSLC) but they want to claim they do as much as we do. Everyone had their respective jobs in our great Army. Let's leave the traditional MOS friendly jabs between us infantrymen, and the tankers, and the cav scouts, and let those who claim to do what do or claim that they can do what we do have their own whatever it is they have. I mean hey I can be blunt too...THERE'S ONLY ONE MOS IN THE ARMY, AND THAT'S THE INFANTRY. EVERYONE ELSE IS SUPPORT.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
It does take special men to do it, I will give you that SFC. I am in no hurry to engage in my primary MOS if I don't have to. Ok, I said it. But the idea you need to create some club for yourselves? There is already a club for warriors, USMC.
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hmmm, creating a hierarchy withing the military? I think someone beat you to that idea
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I'm an academic (and former 11B) researching American 'warrior' culture. The responses on here are fascinating and a little surprising. Thank you for asking the question, but the negative reaction shows how seriously most of us believe in the value of teamwork. We may give our POG friends a hard time, but in the end the guys out front (which in Iraq could be anybody on a bad day) know we're all in it together. Your responses represent the very best values of American military service. Hoo-fuckin'-ah!
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I thought this was a question about gaming, not real life......... PoG for life.
Oh, and if you want to talk about training and destroying bodies, go watch a Sapper Leaders Course in action, and then come back and tell me that no one trains as hard as the Infantry.
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I think that maybe you are in the military for the wrong reasons, or, at the very least, have forgotten the mission. I'm former Navy, my best friend in the Navy, enlisted in the Army and is now a CWO3 operator. I respect the hell out of him, but if he said this to me, I'd laugh in his face. Then run. :)
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