Posted on Apr 21, 2016
MGySgt James Forward
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We seem to prefer promoting people to the point of incompetence... instead of allowing people to continue to work at a level where they excel.
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SFC Don Ward
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MAJ (Join to see) - Now with Japan, the Apology Tour continues
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SMSgt Bob W.
SMSgt Bob W.
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I believe we are talking about the Peter Principle". The Peter principle, states that people are promoted to their level of incompetence, suggests that something is fundamentally misaligned in the promotion process.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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SGT Jerrold Pesz - When I went Army from the Navy/USMC, I hd to do Army Basic. The Co Cdr was a CPT who was and OCS guy. The XO was a mustang 1LT with 3 PH's, a Stilver Star and multiple Bronze Stars with V among SIX rows of ribbons. The Co Cdr had a ND service ribbon. Despite all that 1LT's experience as an Infantryman, he was being RIF'd. That was in 1971. Why such things are done without consideration of EXPERIENCE boggles my mind.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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SSG (Join to see) - the Democrats give workers, and the military, a lot of lips service, but as I recall Carter, the peanut farmer as President, was so lackluster regarding the military that we had to ration gasoline; didn't have ammo for required annual weapons qualification, and then there's the debacle of the attempt to rescue our hostages in Iran. That failure was due in no small part due to aircraft maintenance issues; those due to the same - lack of funds to maintain readiness.
Clinton's Somolia debacle.
Then we have Obama who OPENLY stated he was going to shut-down the coal industry and power plants. Yet, the United Mine Workers endorsed and supported him, shooting themselves in their proverbial foot.
Yes, the Democrats support the military ... only with rhetoric.
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SFC Everett Oliver
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During my 22 years I knew several Sergeants who would have made good Privates.
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CSM Charles Hayden
CSM Charles Hayden
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I once wrote an EER suggesting that an SFC led from the authority he derived as the senior member of the rear rank!
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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I think we all knew NCO's who would have been good Privates as well. Not many thankfully, but enough to be a detriment to any unit's readiness. Not only readiness suffers, but so does morale. I knew many buck SGT's who had more courage to do what's right, than a few Sr NCO's, despite the former's experience level. I will say though, with one lone exception, EVERY officer from butter bars to full Birds and the CG of Walter Reed, were all true leaders.
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MGySgt James Forward
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Back in the days of Regimental Service in the UK, and late 1800's and 1900's it was not out of the norm to see 20 and 30 enlisted personnel. They served in the same Unit for the entire time, and never progressed past a promotion or two. While they did not get paid very much, they were very proficient in their duties and the Unit was tight due to very low personnel turnover. What would happen id we enacted this policy today? Would anyone want to stay a LCpl for 20 years? Not sure if my joints or back would last that long in the infantry. But in some jobs it might not make a huge difference.
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The "Up-or-Out" method of force reduction is kicking a lot of people to the curb. The smaller the unit, usually the better the morale, in my experience.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
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Sounds a lot like our National Guard. I'm constantly surprised to see 40 yr old PFC's and SPC's.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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SGT (Join to see) - Agreed! The "Up or Out" method can/did have disasterous effects on unit morale. I've seen SSG's booted who were truly great soldiers ... and often, their replacements were far less productive. As an MP, I was on the list for SFC and was NOT looking forward to ending up as a desk jockey. I had to get out for family reasons at the end of my 3rd Enlistment. It made it a bit easier knowing I wouldn't spend the next 8 years or more, in some admin position. Lord knows, I loved being a line MP and mentoring young soldiers.
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SSG Bill McCoy - Well understood. Many people are most effective in a position that isn't the highest position available to them. And vertical promotion isn't the only way to progress. Join the pro-Specialist ranks discussion if you haven't already.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/should-the-army-bring-back-the-specialist-titles
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