Posted on Mar 11, 2014
Should the new Army Instructor Badge be available to all Instructors, not just NCOES personnel?
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As of right now the Army Instructor Badge is only availible to NCOES SGL/Instructors. There has been no mention of AIT/IET Instructors or Specialty Instructors (Airborne, Air Assult)recieving this. Does anyone have any information on this or know of a change that is coming out?
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Yes, I believe if you hold the '8' identifier and have met all requirements by TRADOC to instruct then you should be awarded that badge. Past and present instructors should be authorized to wear it.
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The TRADOC SGM spoke to us when I was in SLC back in August. I brought up the badge and he stated that it is coming for AIT and other instructors as well. PME starts at our level, so why are we considered any less of an instructor?
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
Sure would be nice to receive that recognition because instructing AIT level is so much more than just the academics.
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SFC Zelbst, do you feel the same about MRT or the other lesser-known instructors? I am '8R' qualified and have been instructed Resiliency throughout my current mobilization. However, it is far outside of the realm of TRADOC or a formal schoolhouse.
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SFC William Linnell
Hey!!! Just came across this. It would be worth the recognition. I tried for years to help make the Master Gunner course more recognizable then being a MG. They have the badge while being Instructors and those that go on to their units to be MG's should be able to wear it Just like the recruiter badge, DS pumpkin. And if anyone knows that MG's are run ragged during tank, stryker and bradley gunnery, leading up to during and after completion.
Dating myself here. I received the Instructor designator when it was an "H". So yes, I agree that it shouldn't just be for NCOES instructors. As a Tank Commander/Instructor/Writer at Knox for about 3 years was challenging as we taught rain or shine. No classroom classes for us. I went thru the Combat Advisor course at Riley then went to Afghanistan to be Advisors to the Afghan Border Police. Got back to Riley where I was an Instructor/SGI/Advisor for teams heading over that included Navy, AF and Army NG for 2 years at Riley, then we moved the school down to Polk. We also received the T1B identifier. We were with our individual teams or with two teams 6 days a week.
My other side job at Riley was foreign weapons instructor on the Russian AK, RPK, PKM and the Dragunov rifle to all the teams coming thru. Then some genius decided how to make it a civilian instructor course who trained the trainers. Then Big Army decided it was a waste of money soooo no more course.
By reading the AR about the criteria about teaching to other Soldiers, evaluating/assessing the teams, and assisting in rewriting training guides or courses, We should qualify?
Dating myself here. I received the Instructor designator when it was an "H". So yes, I agree that it shouldn't just be for NCOES instructors. As a Tank Commander/Instructor/Writer at Knox for about 3 years was challenging as we taught rain or shine. No classroom classes for us. I went thru the Combat Advisor course at Riley then went to Afghanistan to be Advisors to the Afghan Border Police. Got back to Riley where I was an Instructor/SGI/Advisor for teams heading over that included Navy, AF and Army NG for 2 years at Riley, then we moved the school down to Polk. We also received the T1B identifier. We were with our individual teams or with two teams 6 days a week.
My other side job at Riley was foreign weapons instructor on the Russian AK, RPK, PKM and the Dragunov rifle to all the teams coming thru. Then some genius decided how to make it a civilian instructor course who trained the trainers. Then Big Army decided it was a waste of money soooo no more course.
By reading the AR about the criteria about teaching to other Soldiers, evaluating/assessing the teams, and assisting in rewriting training guides or courses, We should qualify?
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Yes, yes it should. AIT instructors spend FAR more time with their students than NCOES instructors...
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SP6 Patrick Machayo
AIT instructing is a challenging and exacting specialty, where future NCOs are molded. The instructors need all the recognition.
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You know what my answer is going to be SSG Plato. Yes, anybody that is a qualified military instructor and has and "8" identifier should be authorized to wear the badge, not just NCOES. It would be the same thing if only Basic Training Drill Sergeants could wear the badge and not AIT Drill Sergeants (when we had them).
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I agree, its like saying your level of instructing isn't good enough to wear the badge.
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SGT James LeFebvre
CW2 (Join to see) - Thank you. I did 3 years at Ft Gordon (Wouldn't trade it for anything) and agree that those if us who were in before this should be able to get the Basic and Senior badges depending on how much time we spent. I've got over 5,000 hours as the primary instructor (3 years and little leave time) so should be able to have the Senior badge. Doesn't matter for promotions or anything, but dang, to not qualify because of BS reasons that didn't exist at the time would suck.
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Down and dirty, I think if you were awarded an 8 identifier as an instructor that means you met the qualifications for being an instructor you should be deserving of the Instructor Badge as well. I have the distinct privilege of being an NCOES instructor/SGL from 2008 to 2011 and now having the honor to lead one of the best companies of instructors in Army Aviation, to include over the last year 5 of them became Master Instructors. Although I was an SGL I am not being awarded the badge either unless they make it retroactive. I don't necessarily think the Badge is really necessary but if you are going to award it, it should be given to all qualified instructors. Very disappointed with the whole situation. I truly hope they do the right thing and fix this!
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I definitely think that an instructor badge should be awarded to anyone who's had the instructor skill identifier especially those who teach AIT.
I haven't been a SGL, but from what I've seen the skill set required to teach AIT far out weighs the skill set required to teach NCOES Schools. AIT instructors have to instill discipline, motivation, purpose, direction and facilitate the instruction, whereas an SGL in my opinion only has to facilitate the instruction.
I say that because soldiers who go to these NCOES schools should already have that motivation, purpose, and direction.
I'm not saying that the instructors who teach NCOES schools are less deserving but that AIT instructors are just as deserving of this badge.
Like SGM Cousins said, "we have to 'be patient' and wait until the kinks are 'ironed out'."
I also think that not all instructors are deserving. Because of the lack of time and care they put in. If you leave at 1630 everyday just going through the motions... You should not be deserving of such an honor... You have to put in the work to be recognized. Even if it means staying until 2000... Or later.
I haven't been a SGL, but from what I've seen the skill set required to teach AIT far out weighs the skill set required to teach NCOES Schools. AIT instructors have to instill discipline, motivation, purpose, direction and facilitate the instruction, whereas an SGL in my opinion only has to facilitate the instruction.
I say that because soldiers who go to these NCOES schools should already have that motivation, purpose, and direction.
I'm not saying that the instructors who teach NCOES schools are less deserving but that AIT instructors are just as deserving of this badge.
Like SGM Cousins said, "we have to 'be patient' and wait until the kinks are 'ironed out'."
I also think that not all instructors are deserving. Because of the lack of time and care they put in. If you leave at 1630 everyday just going through the motions... You should not be deserving of such an honor... You have to put in the work to be recognized. Even if it means staying until 2000... Or later.
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SSG Jeffrey Malinoski
Is somebody telling you that you aren't eligible to wear an instructor badge as an AIT instructor? Â Did you ask Ft Huachuca what they think?
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SSG Jeffrey Malinoski
Brese, talk to Avrette. Â He was in charge of submitting us for instructor badges at Corry. Â We went through Ft Huachuca (BDE) and I'm not sure who exactly levied the criteria. Â Anyway.. I mention it because we were teaching AIT and were fully able to earn and wear instructor badges. Â Again.. talk to Avrette, dude.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
The actual instructor badge, or the fake local ones a lot of schoolhouses wear? Because right now the criteria for the badge specifies NCOES only..
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An Instructor is an Instructor. Acknowledging those that are assisting in the development of one's career is important. However, they go through BCT then AIT before ever qualifying for attendance in any NCOES. AIT Instructors should be awarded the badge first and foremost.
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Not sure, but as an OCS First Sergeant it pisses me off. I take nothing away from NCOES Instructors, but my cadre work just as hard as them if not harder and get little to no respect. This whole badge thing has pissed me and them off. One of these candidates could be the next Chief of Staff of the Army and to not reward all the BOLC and ROTC instructors is a slap in the face. The army needs to fix this and fast. Again, I want to restate that I have a lot of respect for NCOES instructors, but having seen both the BOLC and OCS instructors they are deserving as well of this badge.
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Curious, why its only for NCOs at the NCOES schools? Plenty of officers who are qualified 5K and do instructor duties in other school houses. Instructor is an instructor is an instructor as long as they check the boxes shown in the MILPER, no?<br><br>Are there officers that teach in the NCO Academies as a primary instructor? What about the SGM Academy at Ft Bliss?<br>
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I believe that if you are in a special duty like AIT PSG, drill, recruiter, instructor, etc you should get a badge to recognize it, and it should be everyone, not just the ones at NCOES for example
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SSG (Join to see)
SFC Dominguez, Drill Sergeants and Recruiters already have a badge identifying their special assignment. The Instructor Badge should be awarded to all Instructors, Drill Sergeants and Recruiters excluded. Recruiters don't "instruct" really and Drill Sergeants wear their badge.
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I spoke with CSM Dailey, TRADOC CSM, it will be expanded to the AIT/IET instructors in the coming year. They are testing it with NCOES Instructors now. The issue they are running into is that each MOS has specific requirements to obtain each badge level and he mentioned something along the lines of keeping each instructor specific badges as the permanent wear....instead of keeping it on standard badge. This way it helps with cutting the cost of producing another badge.
Like me for example, I am an instructor here at Ft Huachuca and we have a specific badge that we have to wear, if everything goes as CSM Dailey said it will, I will wear my badge as a permanent award
Like me for example, I am an instructor here at Ft Huachuca and we have a specific badge that we have to wear, if everything goes as CSM Dailey said it will, I will wear my badge as a permanent award
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