Posted on Apr 13, 2016
LCpl Tad Cunningham
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A commonly thrown around term is "Every Marine is a rifleman" I strongly disagree with this statement as I am an 0311 Rifleman. I do agree that every Marine is expected to know how to shoot and qual annually with a rifle. Doesn't mean they're a rifleman. What does everyone else think?
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Col Jim Harmon
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The term was true when it was founded and it's true today.

Non-infantry Marines are still called on regularly to serve as riflemen during combat operations. I know the Marines assigned to the 3rd MAW Band were a bit surprised when they arrived in Iraq and were immediately assigned to perimeter defense and convoy security operations.

They didn’t complain, they did their job, and they did it well. Not as well as you or your compatriots would have, but they did it anyway. By serving as riflemen in ‘rear area’ positions (as if there was a rear area in Al Anbar) they freed up enough infantry Marines to take Fallujah.

Every Marine is a rifleman. Not all riflemen are equal.
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PV2 Edward Moore
PV2 Edward Moore
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When I got to AIT at the 25th Inf. Div. at Schofield Barracks, i was going though training to become an Asst. Gunner on a 105 Howitzer. Prior to that though, in the heart of the '72 Summer at South Fort of Fort Polk, "Little Vietnam", LA, I was training everyday on the rifle range with my M-16, and with the Law, and M-79 Grenade Launchers, and setting up Claymore mines, etcetera, etcetera, etc.! The point being, I knew that M-16 intimately!!!
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SPC Tommy Faircloth
Not completely disagreeing with you here. But do me a favor and read each branches core mission. It will say something along the lines of
Navy: Fuck shit up in Naval, Amphibious, and Expeditionary manner. Give the Marines a ride and divert all their air conditioning to naval berthing.

Army: Occupational force.

Air Force: Fly drones, because the navy has more aircraft, and kill people with them.

Marine Corps: Go in destroy the enemy, let someone else mop up (Army) and move onto the next target.

The point is, no one is trying to hurt your feelings, your insecurities are why they are getting hurt. Every branch has an assigned mission. The Marine Corps is to be the first to fight, because we don’t have the money, manpower, or resources to occupy areas like the Army. We can barely get paper towels in our bathroom let alone sustain a fighting force for almost two decades in a single region. But we make due, so I guess your feelings will have to too.
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PO2 Hank Kaczmarek
PO2 Hank Kaczmarek
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I was an 8404 Corpsman. Every Marine MUST be a Rifleman. As a Weaps Plt Doc, I helped hump and operate the M-60 Mortar, go out with the STA Marines, and if need be know how to use the M-16, Grenade Launcher, M 1912 Trench Gun, etc. If Doc needs to know how to be a Rifleman, then every Marine does too. An important part of Marine Warrior Ethos.
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PO2 Michael S.
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I'd think of it as:
Every Marine is a rifleman. Not every Marine is a Rifleman.
One is a duty, the other is a spec.
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GySgt John O'Donnell
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Brother, though I understand your pride as an 0311, we as Marines are are set apart from other service branches because all Marines attend the School of Infantry for 28 days of "basic" infantry training at either Marine Combat Training Battalion (MCT) or Infantry Training Battalion (ITB).
As a former 8513/0913 Marine Combat Instructor at School of Infanty (West) who served at all levels of training, I can 100% confirm that every Marine is taught and then practically applies the skills of an 03xx during the initial 28 day period. As a 0311, or 0321, 0331, 0341, 0351, you receive advanced MOS specific infantry training that earns the MOS you choose, just as non-infantry Marines go to MOS specific training to earn their MOS. But the foundational infantry training received all Marines after recruit training allows for better communication and understanding on the battlefields our Marine Corps has and will fight on yesterday, today, and tomorrow. That said, "every Marine a (basic) Rifleman" takes nothing away from you as a "advanced" Rifleman (0311), because in the end you are at the tip of the spear, and every Marines' effort on the battlefield is there to support your outcomes. Semper Fi, Brother!!
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SGT Gabriel Brown
SGT Gabriel Brown
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CPL (Join to see) Its not so much about bootcamp as it is about MOS designation in the Marine Corps. 0311 is a rifleman, therefore if you do not hold that designator then you simply aren't a rifleman. Its like going to ranger school and telling people that you are a ranger. No you're not, you're "ranger qualified" but you've never attended RASP, never set foot in batt, and have no tan beret. There is a difference. But the fact that most civies don't know the difference is exactly why people perpetuate this sort of thing. The same reason that people with a tab and no scroll tell folks that they're a ranger is the same mentality that POGs have when they spout off that every Marine is a rifleman. Attending a 3 week course at MCT and rifle qualing makes someone as much a rifleman as ranger school makes them a ranger.
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A1C George Montford
A1C George Montford
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I went on active duty USAF wite three years Army ROTC, 1 year Army NG, and was
surprised at the complete lack of almost no infantry training, A week or so basic field training, fired a wore out 30 cal. carbine on a 1000 inch range under inept supervision. This was supposedly a military unit. I think all military personell should be trained to some sort of defensive level with basic weapons. I suppose security people were. I was the only person in my imediate unit familaure with any weapon above the 30 cal. m1 carbine.
This was in the mid 50's. ( my darn spell checker failed).
G C Montford former a/2c
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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CPL Joseph Elinger - : I was a Leg. Big deal. I was at Ft. Bragg in 1966 and in week two of airborne training I left. I could not jump off the tower. My brother on the other hand loved it. He even went Special Forces.
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Sgt Jmeans M
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SGT Gabriel Brown - They are first trained as a Rifleman, First this is embedded from day one, now some POGS are just that but when the Shit hits itthey drop the stapler and go on patrol or where needed.
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Cpl Jon Westbrook
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No. I was an 03 and I understand your frustration and am very familiar with this line of thought, but the truth is that the Marine Corps is different from the other branches. I remember a story that illustrates my point perfectly about a VMF deployed in Afghanistan that had Taliban break through the wire and literally walk into the TOC and start shooting. The pilots and air wingers grabbed their gear, rallied together and pushed them back and out of the compound before holding security until the QRF arrived.

The point is that the Marine Corps is a very small branch, and is designed to operated independently as an expeditionary fighting force. This philosophy means that Marines are going to be out in the bush, often alone, and still expected to accomplish the mission. And if it comes down to it, the cook is just another gun in the fight. A less refined one albeit, but still at the very least 4 degrees of a 360.

Good question though. Keep asking questions and learning bro. There's a wealth of knowledge on here and it isn't often you get to have private conversations about stuff like this with Colonels and Majors. Semper yut kill.
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LtCol Daniel Daly
LtCol Daniel Daly
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Great comment Cpl Westbrook, could an "Expeditionary" A-10 Squadron do that? Highly unlikely given the fact that the Air Force conducts 0 infantry training across all occupation fields in their induction pipeline.
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SFC Infantryman
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LtCol Daniel Daly - Not quite Colonel, Air Force Security Police, Air Base Ground Defence units train continually in infantry tactics. Security Police Units are divided into Police and Air Base ground defense. I was in the 445 military airlift wing from 1982 to 1994. Before that, I was a Marine from 65 to 69 including A Vietnam tour. Because the Air Force has so much money, and we were motivated, we had some great training. I finished my military career with 9 more years in the Army National Guard in an infantry company. Knowing we were going to get activated and deployed we trained our asses off, but of course did not have the money the USAF had.
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Richard Alty
Richard Alty
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The aircraft maintainers of 211 MAS would disagree with you. When Camp Bastion was attacked in 2012 they fought (and fought well) as infantry until the RAF Regiment rapid response team was able to arrive from the far side of the base.
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Sgt Jmeans M
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Well said Cpl.
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