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LTC Eric Coger
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What do you mean by that? There is no law or statute that limits things to two parties. It's just the two major parties dwarf all the others. Every Presidential election for the past 20+ years (my voting history) has had at least 7-9 candidates for President on every ballot. Should WE the PEOPLE choose a third party to replace or compete with the big dos? That's completely up to us.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
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SSG (Join to see) - In our dreams.
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LTC Thomas Tennant - a guy can dream
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Capt Richard I P.
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It's a mathematical inevitability based on the rules.
http://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/
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SFC Corrie Meade
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your right about the number of candidates on a ballot during elections. however the 2 major parties have rigged the system to make it as hard as possible for a 3rd party to get any traction in the individual states. I would love to see a viable 3rd party for it would make the other 2 parties finally start to work with each other to accomplish what they are there for ie the peoples buisiness
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COL Lee Flemming
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LTJG (Join to see) there is nothing to abolish. The fact is that we really have a winner take all system. There is no formal arrangement that one of the two parties will win seats, and there is nothing that prevents a viable third party candidate from winning. And the parliamentary system that exists in other countries would take herculean constitutional changes to institute in the US.

As a point of conjecture it may be interesting to consider, but realistically there is very little chance and maybe even less interest in abolishing anything.
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Well Sir, we do have two states that divide up electoral votes. If they all did we could get a third party in. It is left up for the individual states to decide though.
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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CPT Jack Durish - Yes, individual liberty over tyranny,, so vote Democrat.
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COL Lee Flemming
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MSG Stan Hutchison - hmm, I don't think that is going to happen, Lol!
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Capt Richard I P.
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COL Lee Flemming First in the scrolling down I've noticed to mention the cause of the outcome rather than merely pointing out it cant be abolished because it is not established.

It's a mathematical error of first past the post voting that should be corrected.
http://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/
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SrA Edward Vong
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If another party can rise up and become a major player, than the two party system would abolish on its own.
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Capt Richard I P.
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SrA Edward Vong Nah, it would just shift which 2 are the 2, it's happened before when the Whigs were replaced by Republicans. The system is the mathematical outcome of the rules of first past the post voting.

http://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/
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SrA Edward Vong
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So would you say that the United States is Black and White with no middle?
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Capt Richard I P.
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SrA Edward Vong Definitely not! I'd say most, the vast majority would prefer more nuance in their representation, but the way the rules are set they are compelled to vote against the extreme and push themselves to the opposite, I totally recommend the linked videos, they are tremendous!
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Should the two party system be abolished?
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It would take the 2 parties to either implode from within or be surpassed by another. With the power brokers' ability and willingness to maintain in control, both seem options seem out of reach.

With support from power players currently entrenched and mass rank & file support, a third party could emerge- but it would likely replace one of the current two in time.

It's our nature to have two teams on the field, despite more registered voters being unaffiliated than registered Republicans or Democrats combined. (I heard that stat recently, I'm not sure it's true).

For options, feel free to look into a minor part started by a few veterans, Modern Whig party. http://www.modernwhig.org/ there's no candidates yet, but you can be that rank & file that will eventually evolve into mass appeal and turn the players in the system around.
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Very true. Thank you for your response MSG (Join to see)
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PO1 Tony Holland
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The party system was never envisioned by the founders or it would have been included in the Constitution.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Party is simply a name we use to refer to an organized group of like minded people. Could easily call them Factions, Clubs, Clans, Brotherhoods, etc., etc.
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SSG Drew Cook
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Like the first commenter said on the original post, you're talking about changing the first amendment to the Constitution. Good luck with that.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
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MAJ Carl Ballinger - By natural do you mean it seemed the easiest way to consolidate political power. Remember after Jefferson and Adams, there were basically three to four parties or "factions" as the founders called them. At some point the bigger parties absorbed the smaller ones.
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PO1 Tony Holland I believe, somewhere in history, one of our great leaders said something along the lines of avoiding such things.
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LTC Kevin B.
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I certainly would, but I suppose this depends on how you see the two-party system being abolished. If you mean "no parties", I don't think we'd ever attain that goal (although I'll admit that I detest labels that help opposition candidates use to predefine someone). If you did away with the formal party structures, I think we'd still have politicians and voters aligning via informal coalitions, using common ideologies, rather than along formal political structures. If you mean "more than two parties", I'd love to see viable options to the Democrats and Republicans. I've even voted for 3rd-party candidates in an attempt to help them get up to 5% so they can achieve Federal funds to grow their movements. Problem is...our society has shown a desire to compress their votes down to the two major options, and no viable option has ever really taken hold. And, the main reason for that is due to the two major parties ever so subtly shifting their stances to absorb any breakaway momentum. I saw it happen with the Reform Party, the Green Party, and the Libertarian Party. The Democrats and Republicans both ever so subtly shifted their platforms to absorb the breakaway movements that were gaining steam. As a society, we need to resist that temptation.

The new tactic I'm seeing is the "double label", and I'm interested in seeing how this plays out. For instance, Rand Paul and Justin Amash have openly called themselves Libertarian-leaning Republicans. That's an attempt to pull Libertarians into the GOP. I've seen Gary Johnson and William Weld call themselves former-Republican Libertarians, in an attempt to pull Republicans into the Libertarian Party. The former are trying to squelch and/or exploit the alternative, and the latter are trying to grow an alternative, both using the legitimacy of one of a major party (but in different ways).

Regardless, I'd love to see a political environment with either "no labels" or "many labels", rather than just two main labels.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Agree, would love to see lots of "parties" to choose between. Though as you said, it would be tough. Even Bernie Sanders became a Democrat so that he'd have a party to claim rather than stay Independent.
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SPC(P) Samuel T.
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Yes get rid of it
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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LTJG (Join to see) There are several parties as well as those with no party affiliation (independents). The problem with our current system is that there are so many SHEEP who have been conditioned to vote either R or D regardless of who those two parties parade out as candidates. Case in point one of the two horribly unqualified candidates will win the election this November because lazy Americans who don't want to think will go and vote for Chump or Swillary at a level that will give one of the two the white house.

Neither one should be acceptable to the American People. American Citizenship, in theory, requires the public to educate themselves on the candidates. Our society has become LAZY. Lazy to the point that overall people are not willing to put in the effort to be a well informed voter. A voter who is capable of voting intelligently, as opposed to voting for spoon fed option A or spoon fed option B.

I will not wast my vote on either chump or swillary. I will vote for a candidate that I actually support. Win or lose I will sleep peacefully knowing that I did not vote for a poor a candidate. I will never look down at someone who genuinely supports the R or D candidate. The ones I want to bitch slap are the ones who vote for "the lesser of two evils." Voting for a bad candidate just because they are better than another bad candidate is not a valid reason to vote for someone. I have heard people who said they will vote for swillary because she is a woman. Voting for a person because they are a "historic" candidate is also no a valid reason to vote for a candidate.

In a perfect world American voters would research the candidates ACTIONS not words, find a candidate whose record actually lines up the best with their world view, and vote for that candidate regardless of party affiliation, color, gender, religion, ethnicity, or other superficial factor. Sadly, most Americans are too lazy to do that. They will just vote for the rotting turkey carcass. Right wing, left wing. Same turkey.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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Capt Seid Waddell - Stop the planet! I want to get off. I do not want to live on a planet where chump and swillary represent what we have devolved into.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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PO3 Steven Sherrill, one advantage of being an old fart is that it limits the crap I will have to take from this crowd before I move on.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill and Capt Seid Waddell I agree. However, watch how this generation reacts when someone like "Drake" runs for Presidency. He'd most likely win without doing anything, because he's "famous" and a "celebrity" and "dreamy" and "makes [good] music".. -_- The general young population doesn't care of follow this election because they have no interest in the candidates themselves. The moment they see a candidate they have interest in start running for Presidency, it's all over. I fear that with this generation, it all comes down to pop culture popularity... and this scares me.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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LTJG (Join to see) - I just threw up a little.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Kind of go along with most of the comments that say there is no requirement for just 2 parties, so what's to abolish? Even in 2016 we have at least two other parties running, Green & Libertarian. Issue IMO is that no other party has the organization or funding to successfully challenge the majority Democratic or Republican Parties. I sort of feel that we may see the Republican Party morph into some other party or parties following this election cycle. One could even argue that the Republican Party is already two parties within itself when you consider the Tea Party. Considering the craziness surrounding the 2016 election cycle there certainly seems to be the climate for the establishment of new parties to challenge Democrats and Republicans. All that is needed is a platform or agenda that a majority of Americans can wrap themselves around, tremendous organization and big time funding.
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LTC Eric Coger
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Well said sir.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Good point and probably what got us to the point we are at with both parties. Concern today seems to be "for the party" not for the people. Let one party crumble and bet we see lots of start up "parties" that focus on issues rather than the party.
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LTC Chief Of Public Affairs And Protocol
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We have a system where our politicians have more loyalty to the party than to the Nation. So, yes all parties should be abolished. Candidates can run on their record and proposed policies. Let the voters sort it out.
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Maj Rob Drury
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LTC Eric Coger - Freedom to associate and assemble has nothing to do with the electoral system's recognition of the parties in the ballot makeup, primaries, etc. There's nothing wrong with a bunch of people calling themselves D's or R's, but those groups or their existence should not dictate the electoral process.
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LTC Eric Coger
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Maj Rob Drury - You made my point in your comments. People have the right to ask that their name have a D or R or whatever next to their name on the ballot.
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Maj Rob Drury
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LTC Eric Coger - No, I'm arguing that anyone has a right to associate with a political party, but that party has no right to be recognized on the ballot.
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LTC Eric Coger
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Maj Rob Drury - Who would you give the authority to that would be allowed to limit what letter I want next to my name on a ballot? Anything that limits freedom or liberty should be very carefully considered; unintended consequences are often worse than the original issue.
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