Posted on Jan 25, 2017
Should the US military be used to enforce law and order and quell the protests against President Trump?
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Edit: I posted this as a little experiment. There was a similar discussion asking whether American soldiers would fire on American citizens due to the riots that were taking place. I had responded that the Posse Comitatus prohibited that, much like many of you did. However, I was unconvinced that most of the respondents "No's" had to do with an obligation to their fellow citizens and more to do with their dislike of the Obama administration. I hypothesized that it was the latter and posted this question to test that theory. Turns out you all pleasantly surprised me and proved me wrong. Thank you for that. I'm sure this post will continue to generate discussion though.
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Look what happened in North Dakota! That was National Guard out there at that pipeline with the native Elders supposedly being water protectors which is a bunch of garbage. it was National Guard soldiers out there with their mrap vehicles shooting water cannon at protesters when it was 25 degrees Fahrenheit outside. No Posse Comitatus there. These were National Guard on title 32 that the local Governor had called up to help contain the protest. I am actually supporter of the natives but I think the natives have been hijacked by Greenpeace and other environmental is who no matter what even if they redirect the pipeline around native lands around the river they do whatever they need to do to make it right it will still be against it because of the fifth column in filtration by anti oil Lobby that I believe is funded by Russia and the Middle East oil oligarchy to prevent the US from Gaining energy Independence under any circumstances. that's another story What the National Guard was being used the National Guard is using flash bang grenades against protesters and the blue one Lee's arm almost completely off. Now I know why off duty Reserve soldiers and former soldiers came to protect the protesters from the National Guard. Posse Comitatus Act was not an effect but the governors can use their National Guards in the way they feel like it for right or wrong
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Active? No, because it's against the law. Lawyers here may know if they can be used under declaration of martial law or some other clause if so authorized. National Guard? yes, if needed to restore order. They've been doing it for years. I remember the shootings at Kent State as a youngster. As far as Americans shooting Americans, that depends on the level of unrest and if authorized per ROE's. It would be a tough call for anyone serving but they are required to follow lawful orders, so if ordered by competent military authority and the situation warranted they will have to follow orders. Hopefully they will utilize RCA's and less lethal measures before resorting to deadly force, but the situation will dictate. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.
Active duty have been used in the past. http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rio.htm
Active duty have been used in the past. http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rio.htm
Foreign Military Studies Office Publications - Combat in Cities: The LA Riots and Operation Rio
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If anyone is interested check out my edit to the original question. Thanks
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No, and I am generally under the impression that would be illegal (Posse Comitatus)
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That is a violation of Posse Commentates unless it is specifically in the District of Columbia, which is under Federal Jurisdiction.
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From what I know the NG is for the states to handle their own problems like that. However, this is causing mass effects in smaller areas. ANY attempt or idea to overthrow the government IS a felony and should be punished; aka Judge Dredd style.
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NO! We need to keep the military out of it. Police Dept. National if bad enough but no military.
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So many folks are stating that the Posse Comitatus forbids the President from using the military in such a manner. I believe the Act only applies to the Army and the Air Force. Could Marines be sent in?
The Posse Comitatus also states that whoever willfiully uses, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress......
So, is stating that the use of Soldiers is completely illegal correct?
The Posse Comitatus also states that whoever willfiully uses, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress......
So, is stating that the use of Soldiers is completely illegal correct?
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Congress already approved it via the NDAA of 2012 which declared everywhere US law has jurisdiction to be a "battlefield" and thus empowers the US Military to operate thereupon.
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No military needs to step in the protests that cost money and we could use money
In other programs it help flint Michigan with there lead in their water.
In other programs it help flint Michigan with there lead in their water.
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