Posted on May 6, 2014
Should veteran status be reserved for those who have deployed?
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This one has come up a lot in conversations with my peers and Soldiers: Should you be allowed to claim veterans status if you have never deployed?
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
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If you took the oath and sign d a "blank check" and served honorably...then yes your a vet. I deployed 3 times by if your a vet your a vet period!
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20% of our forces do the heavy lifting but 100% get the same label. It's different, it just is. The PC thing to say is we're all the same, but we are not. Some chose to support the warfighters and thats great and way better than folks that just support us with words. But there is more that combat vets have experienced than most others. MOS, or title is irrelevant. Were you out the wire patrolling or on mission or did you just stay within the wire? I and grateful for the support of all supporting arms but ultimately there is a distinction that should be respected or at least acknowledged.
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I love the responses from everyone. I've deployed several times and not once did i consider those still on the beach less of a sailor than because they are still critical to the success of those who deploy. Shipping parts ammo food and anything else. Making sure our reliefs are ready to go. Those individuals are veterans just the same.
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If you call yourself a vet you better have some good stories or no one will take you seriously
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What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important and will be covered in later sections.
References: For more information on:
the definition of the term Veteran for purposes of compensation, Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) and death pension, see
38 CFR 3.1(d), and Paulson v. Brown, 7 Vet.App. 466, 470 (1995), and
groups approved for Veteran status under Public Law (PL) 95-202 and 106-259, see M21-1, Part III, Subpart iii, 2.K.3.
References: For more information on:
the definition of the term Veteran for purposes of compensation, Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) and death pension, see
38 CFR 3.1(d), and Paulson v. Brown, 7 Vet.App. 466, 470 (1995), and
groups approved for Veteran status under Public Law (PL) 95-202 and 106-259, see M21-1, Part III, Subpart iii, 2.K.3.
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Regardless of weather we deployed or not I believe that if you did one long term contact or reenlisted off a short term than we have the right and are entitled i wave my DD214 in everyone's face any chance I get because I had the balls to join and you did not I won't back up I won't back down from this and let me find someone who is man enough to stop me no one has any balls anymore at least I still have a set
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The idea that my entire command wouldn't have been considered veterans, simply because we were on a submarine is bogus. Not only that but being a Nuke MM, you can't EVER even volunteer for an IA billet due to your training being too valuable in the fleet and maintenance activities. I'm sorry but this question is just inflammatory bullshit. Combat veterans already get special treatment through the American Legion and VFW, why do you need to add another level of branch shaming to this?
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In agreement with the vast majority that have commented, if you served your country, honorably, then you are in fact, a veteran. However, I also believe there should be a distingushment for those who deployed to an active war zone. The term "Combat Veteran," should be applied to these individuals.
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I think the honorably discharged should be the only ones who can claim veteran stays. As it is now, you can only claim certain benefits if you honorably discharged only, like a veteran status on your drivers license. Most benefits like the VA home loan require timeframes and discharge requirements. Anyone with a bad conduct or other than honorable discharge, should not be able to claim veteran for benefits...in my opinion. It should not have anything to do with where they served, but how they served.
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You of course hold the title of veteran. The title of combat veteran is reserved for those of us that served in combat. As one can assume, even that title has varying degrees as well, e.g. CIB, CMB, CAB (in that order).
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Speaking as a CAR Marine of the Gulf War/Somalia Era I believe that Veterans who stand post are Veterans period, regardless of whether they saw fulltime deployment, combat, or otherwise. What we must understand and stay united behind is the fact that today less than 28% of Americans have ever served in their country in any capacity!! That is a small advocacy group I'd you ask me. I mean who is going to sympathize more with my busted knee from all the forced road marches, or my shitty right ear from all the weapons I was forced to fire and listen to....a civilian?! They have no freaking clue...so us veterans being decided is just silly....no....stupid. UNITED WE STAND!
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Should NFL/MLB players that only get to play in games be called veterans versus those who only sit the bench or play when far ahead/behind? It's the same thing.
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Honestly, if you look at all the companies that are owned and operated by "operators" or "combat Vets" or "Rangers"...hell, there weren't that many MTOE positions!!! It seems everyone claims that crap nowadays. You even see them at the gun ranges with their camp hat and Operator Beard...give. me. a. break.
You served. Doesn't matter how, where, how long. And to those that would question it...tell them to eat a bowl of...ummm...cheerios...yeah...cheerios.
You served. Doesn't matter how, where, how long. And to those that would question it...tell them to eat a bowl of...ummm...cheerios...yeah...cheerios.
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Dictionary definition of "veteran ": "Someone who has served in the military." Period, end of statement. I've done three tours as an aviation mechanic, I have friends who (through no fault of their own) haven't deployed in their decade+ I the military, and they are as much veterans as me.
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If you served honorably, your a veteran. It doesn't matter. I had three combat tours in the ARNG. I still consider anyone who wore the uniform to be a veteran regardless of deployments or not.
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You're a Veteran. I serve for 7 years active duty Army. I did 2 deployments to Iraq. Yes there is difference between the one's who deployed and live outside the wired. Then you have one's who never left the FOB. Then the one's who never deploy at all. In my book if you sign up and serve in the military and did your time. I know you still be a veteran, because we're all one big family for life. I pray for all my brother's and sister's to have wonderful life. Y'all are all Veteran's and be proud to be serve your country.
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If you served you are a veteran. If you served in a combat zone, you are just a little bit more veteran. From a 5 time combat veteran. We all served...
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"The distinction between a military retiree and a military veteran may be blurred at times. Basically, a veteran is anyone who serves in the military for any length of time. The distinction is based primarily on years of service.
The following information is taken from the American War Veterans website.
What Is a Veteran?
A veteran is defined by federal law, moral code, and military service as “Any, Any, Any”: A military veteran is Any person who served for Any length of time in Any military service branch.
What Is a War Veteran?
A war veteran is any GI (government issue) ordered to foreign soil or waters to participate in direct or support activity against an enemy. The operant condition: any GI sent in harm’s way.
What Is a Combat Veteran?
A combat veteran is any GI who experiences any level of hostility for any duration resulting from offensive, defensive, or friendly fire military action involving a real or perceived enemy in any foreign theater.
The following information is taken from the American War Veterans website.
What Is a Veteran?
A veteran is defined by federal law, moral code, and military service as “Any, Any, Any”: A military veteran is Any person who served for Any length of time in Any military service branch.
What Is a War Veteran?
A war veteran is any GI (government issue) ordered to foreign soil or waters to participate in direct or support activity against an enemy. The operant condition: any GI sent in harm’s way.
What Is a Combat Veteran?
A combat veteran is any GI who experiences any level of hostility for any duration resulting from offensive, defensive, or friendly fire military action involving a real or perceived enemy in any foreign theater.
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