Posted on May 6, 2014
Should veteran status be reserved for those who have deployed?
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This one has come up a lot in conversations with my peers and Soldiers: Should you be allowed to claim veterans status if you have never deployed?
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
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One shouldn't be punished for what is their fate that is out of their control. A Vet is a Vet.
However, if you want to get fancy there is the modified title of "Combat Veteran".
However, if you want to get fancy there is the modified title of "Combat Veteran".
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There is already an official hierarchy in place with regards to benefits for those who have deployed (things like Veterans Recruitment Appointments for government jobs), vets who have combat injuries (Combat Related Special Compensation for retirees) and all veterans. Anyone who has served, is a veteran.
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I spent 10 years on active duty and 2 years as a reservist before I deployed the first time for Desert Shield. If a reservist completes the requisite time and training they are a veteran. A veteran is a veteran, service is service it seems equitable.
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now veterens sure but theres are those dirt bags that will sit there and if you dont know shit about military like damn near all civilians and feed them lie after lie after anyone elses storys they picked up while hiding and dodging deployments. that being said those are the lowest of the low anywaymy personal opinion i think the only people who should deploy are specific m.o.s's such as infantry, and group, and so forth my experiences over 3 deployments is most others just get in the way also n.g. and reserve should only dp shit in the U.S. v3ery personall reasons for that they used to shoot at us all the time while we slept on the side of the road because they saw trucks with guns. i dont feel they are mentally prepared for it all. So all veterens yes but there should be a known difference between true war fighters and fobbits
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I have explained this in several other posts. There are several categories of veteran. I joined the Active Army on June 18 1962, I was released from Active Duty on June 08 1965. At the time of my separation I was not a vet. I joined the California Air Guard in March of 1966, it was not until I had been in the Guard for about 1 year that the official start date for the Vietnam War was announced, I was in the active service at that time so I was awarded the NDSM and was entitled to veteran status in my civil service job. This was a huge change in terms of job security and schooling. I stayed in for a total of 42 years 6mo and 25 days, then I retired. Veteran status is easily obtained these days, just join up and complete your enlistment honorably, and you are a veteran. You are more likely to deploy to a combat zone now, but even if you don't you are still a veteran. When I first joined NDSM's and veteran status was only available to active duty or deployed reservists. I went from 1966-1990 with just my NDSM only, in 1990 the NDSM was issued to active duty, reserve and guard military, I got my first device on my NDSM. That veteran status is earned! A great many of those who served in Vietnam, were drafted, a lot of them if offered a choice would not have gone voluntarily, Many people in the guard and reserves were fighting to get in to avoid the draft, those of us who were prior service volunteered to stay in reserve or Guard troop units, where call up was rare but not unheard of, when I was going through training I came within one day of being sent to the Florida beaches in the middle of the Cuban missile crisis. So the chance of callup or deployment was always there. It did not happen because our military with guard and reserves was a potent enough force to dispel the Soviet's will to attack. So now or at least before I went into the Retired Reserve, being on active duty or participating in a troop program unit entitles that military member the title of veteran and the entitlements of that title.
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CSM (Join to see)
I think "veteran status" with the NDSM and a job is not what the original question was about. If you served at any point you should be called a veteran...even if you did not deploy or serve in a time of conflict.
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I have heard that is why some are called combat veteran vs. veteran. In some things you need to be in for at least 6 years in order to be of veteran status. Yet some have deployed four times and not hit 6 years. It really depends who you are talking to and for what. I personally go with the combat veteran vs. veteran to say yes I was in theater or not. Then that leads to the side conversation: combat veteran just for those who were shot at or fired shots or anyone who was deployed in combat theater.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT I agree I was forced out once because I was reserve and got hurt during a deployment, I only got as far as the 3 month train up that all reservists at the time were required to do. This was in 2005 and they med boarded me out for injuries that were service connected but not deployment connected and I got treated very differently at the VA because of it. It took me two years to get the benefits owed to me, I came in in 1986 and have served Active, Reserve and National Guard, I have never been deployed overseas, however was for a major forest fire in Colorado, I still put my life on the line to help put those fires out, my job was to drive the Hot shots to the fire line in the morning and pick them up at night. I call myself veteran but the VA did not treat me the same as combat veterans. It is very frustrating, one of the reasons I came back in but now I likely will never get a deployment.
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MSG John Wirts
I joined the Army in June of 1962, and ETS'd in June of 65, When I went to work for U.S. Civil Service I was not considered a veteran. It was in 1967 or 68 that the official start date for Vietnam was established, I was in an Air Guard unit, my personnel sergeant checked and saw the start date was in jun of 1964, and my ETS was in Jun of 1965. That officially qualified me as a veteran and awarded me the National Defence Service Medal. My status in Civil Service changed to 5 pt veteran. I see now that two major classifications of veteran have appeared the two major classes are Combat Veteran, Era Veteran, I am still not sure if I had gotten out in 1964 if I would qualify as a Cold War Veteran, I did qualify as a Vietnam Era Veteran, I don't know if being in during the Kosovo conflict gave an era status or not. I did receive a bronze Star Device for my NDSM for Desert Storm, for being in the Reserves. My thought is when I served the units I was in were never called up, but we were subject to mobilization. So we all should be considered Veterans! I don't know if the Cold war was ever officially recognized, if not it should be, Any member of any service and any component should have era status, Combat veterans should have conflict status. I know I was looked down on in some units because I was never in combat during Vietnam. I respect combat veterans, but I was subject to mobilization for 31 years, I was not called up nor was I able to volunteer during that time. I still don't understand the discrimination by some combat veterans.
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LCDR Joseph Richter
This is an absurd question. Sign on the line, don the uniform and serve proudly and honorably. Uncle Sam says who goes where. Coming from the Medical Community, I saw a lot of enlisted Corpsman NEC's that did not deploy, such as the physical therapy technician. So here's a guy or gal that doesn't deploy because of their job, but as all the broken soldier and sailors return home to hospitals, this guy or gall is putting in the hours to help these wounded folks walk, eat, hold, touch and stand again. Countless hours of dedicated service to these patriots. I had a personal friend that was a PT Tech in Naples Italy, and he so badly wanted to join a Marine Corps unit or deploy aboard a ship but couldn't yet he was one of the best in his field, worked independently from a physical therapist and had a case load he managed of over 130. Why deny him veteran status or even think of it? I say bloom where you are planted and give it your best. Veteran = Service, not deployment.
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I was told at the VA that once you put the uniform of the armed services on, you are a veteran. No matter how much time served. And I agree.
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