Posted on May 6, 2014
Should veteran status be reserved for those who have deployed?
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This one has come up a lot in conversations with my peers and Soldiers: Should you be allowed to claim veterans status if you have never deployed?
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
Personally, I'm an ROTC graduate who chose to go straight into the ARNG in 2011, knowing full well that my chances to deploy would be next to none with the changing op tempo. Realistically, had I been actively searching out a deployment the whole time, I still may not have gotten one. I'm sure there are Soldiers out there who served honorably in a reserve component without deploying, despite their best efforts. So, for example, should a Soldier who completed basic training, had a clean service record, excelled in their peer group, but ultimately served 10 years as a reservist with no deployment and less than 180 days on non-ADT active service be prevented from calling themselves a veteran?
I have my own thoughts, but I'm more interesting in hearing your opinions. For clarification, I'm speaking more towards the legal definition of veterans status - even if the laws were changed here, there would still be an immense difference between a legal veteran and a legal veteran with several deployments, combat experience, decades on active duty, or a combination of all three.
Posted 11 y ago
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Hey brother, there was no real final question to the whole point of your post. We all know that deployments are part of any facet of the military any one of over 150 ( MOSs ) in “ active duty combat deployment such as desert storm where the whole thing started in the Middle East with Al queda taliban leading to 9/11. I know the whole story, TSC ok, to civilians! My opinion is thank you for your partial service, a weekend warrior. No offense, myself as an active duty combat engineer 12B 91-96 Gulf War era and Kosovo combat deployments.
With all due respect as just only my opinion sir, if you had at least 1 combat deployment during your time in the reserves which it sounds like you do. Brother, the word reserve is only a partial soldier to me. Maybe not one of the ones that dug deep and dug it out for America. That means full time and living in the barracks and running every morning at Custer Hill , Ft Riley Kansas, the home of the legendary 1st infantry Division as the wind cuts through you coming across Canada into the Bible Belt. As a reserve soldier you just never see it all. Have you ever trained at Grafenveir Germany? You haven’t seen the big picture, I wish you did trooper ✝️
With all due respect as just only my opinion sir, if you had at least 1 combat deployment during your time in the reserves which it sounds like you do. Brother, the word reserve is only a partial soldier to me. Maybe not one of the ones that dug deep and dug it out for America. That means full time and living in the barracks and running every morning at Custer Hill , Ft Riley Kansas, the home of the legendary 1st infantry Division as the wind cuts through you coming across Canada into the Bible Belt. As a reserve soldier you just never see it all. Have you ever trained at Grafenveir Germany? You haven’t seen the big picture, I wish you did trooper ✝️
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I served in the Air Force during the Cold War.
I served as Security Police.
I took my job very seriously, to make sure that my bomber (loaded with nuclear weapons) was safe and ready to fly at any moment.
No, I wasn’t deployed to any war zone but if any one thinks that what I did was not important to the safety of my country, they are wrong!
I am proud of my service and I am very grateful for those that came before and after me that were deployed to a war zone.
I am also very proud of my veteran status
I served as Security Police.
I took my job very seriously, to make sure that my bomber (loaded with nuclear weapons) was safe and ready to fly at any moment.
No, I wasn’t deployed to any war zone but if any one thinks that what I did was not important to the safety of my country, they are wrong!
I am proud of my service and I am very grateful for those that came before and after me that were deployed to a war zone.
I am also very proud of my veteran status
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This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. It rates right up there with, " real men can give birth".
The very idea that this is even debated among those still in service infuriates me and greatly reduces both my trust in both people and the status of of our current armed services to defend America. Sounds a great deal like a bunch of entitled bitches bickering about who's more special.
Not participating in actual combat may limit some to not being a "combat veteran" but they are still Veterans.
The very idea that this is even debated among those still in service infuriates me and greatly reduces both my trust in both people and the status of of our current armed services to defend America. Sounds a great deal like a bunch of entitled bitches bickering about who's more special.
Not participating in actual combat may limit some to not being a "combat veteran" but they are still Veterans.
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Damn right you can! Anyone that stood up, raised their right hand and offered up their life for this country, served honorably! The problem arises with individuals that did NOT serve, but strut around wearing surplus clothing "They Bought" and announce to any and everyone what a bad ass they were. I have a short fuse for these vermin. Have called a number of them out at Veteran functions or insisted they were combat Vets to get free drinks or Veterans discounts. I don't claim to be a vigilante poser exposer but I have had enough times to claim it. There are a number of TRUE VETS that don't realize they don't have to make things up. I'm a two tour combat vet from the Nam. 82nd and the 25th. I would never disrespect another Vet for not going down range!. I've talked with Nam Vets that don't see them selves worthy of Combat status because they didn't go outside the wire or only ran logistic supplies. They can't understand they stood the chance of being ambushed outside the wire bringing us the stuff to fight with or eat or medical things. Plus Beer, a definite staple of the Grunt end of the chain.!! The very same thing I have heard from the Sand Box boys. Don't you ever belittle yourself for what you did or where the service needed you. You did the DAMN job...that is what its all about! And I thank you for your service.............
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You SHOULD be and it should be automatic. You have no choice if you deploy or not. Some people serve in MOSs that do not deploy.
I served 20years and the closest to deployingcI got was 4years in Germany and one year in Korea. My whole career I had either just PCS'd from a unit that was preparing to deploy or arriving at a unit that just returned from deployment.
I served 20years and the closest to deployingcI got was 4years in Germany and one year in Korea. My whole career I had either just PCS'd from a unit that was preparing to deploy or arriving at a unit that just returned from deployment.
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