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TSgt Jackie Jones
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In most states, the Court is recognizing Veterans that have committed a crime and offering a different type of program to them. (In line with the probation that they may already be granted). How do the masses feel about it?

I understand the specialized need for treatment for certain Veterans and that everyone should be treated as an individual, on a case by case basis, which I hope is how this would be carried out by all, but for those with significant criminal histories, should they get the specialized options?
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SSG William Strong
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I have read a number of responses. There are MANY Vets that do not ask for help when they need it. People, particularly Vets, are a proud bunch (aren't we). Combat does things to a person that would not have happened as a civilian. I believe the Special Court can be a place to force a Vet to have medical assistance. However, an habitual law offender that has received medical assistance, may need more disciplinary action. I could expand more, however, my two cents will be enough.
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TSgt Michael Perry U.S.A.F. Ret.
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Yes! Vet court is no cake walk, I've been thru it. It offers real solutions though and they are huge into the veteran seeking and getting whatever treatments they require, plus the VA docs respect them and place the veteran in a specialized category where medical and psycological followup and monitoring is mandatory; which for many veterans is novel and welcomed. Real solutions can be effected by the veterans courts as witnessed and experienced by myself.
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SSG Richard Relyea
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No soldier is more important than setting the right standard. Soldiers with mental health issues should be cared for in such a way that any law breaking tendencies should be noticed before any crime is committed. Our troops need care not special treatment. Yes if they have PTSD that should be taken into account but should not be a get out of jail free card.
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PFC James Pease
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I am a disabled peace time veteran, and also a mentor in Veterans Treatment Court here in Racine WI. I am also a long term recovering alcoholic, addict, and former offender. I say absolutely, veterans should get the specialized options.

It goes beyond a moral judgment of right or wrong. Veterans, be they peace time or combat vetted, are a culture unto themselves. Veterans have lived a culture of violence, be it trained and applied or only trained and never applied. Domestic abuse, drug and alcohol addiction, and all the little criminal nuances that go with those addictions, as well as a military lifestyle with an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, dictates that those men and women think differently than the general civilian populace. It doesn't really matter where the "stopping place" happens, but it betters our society and communities in the long run to have another venue to step in. Add now the high number of combat veterans returning from duty to society, and remember the dismissal of the Vietnam veterans.

Not all Viet-era vets suffered ptsd, addiction or criminality, but many did. And were left dismissed and untreated. How many veteran offenders now are the children and grandchildren of these untreated, often dysfunctional families. We as a nation have an obligation to address criminality and addiction in as many ways as possible to keep our communities safe, healthy and crime free. Being on the scene in Veterans Treatment Court, I applaud this effort and I am blessed to witness first hand the difference it can and does make.
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CW5 Jim Steddum
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I think this is an emerging program. Hawaii is also taking a lead with respect to this topic. See attached. What is not stated in the web article is that the prosecutors are also veterans with combat experience. It does not mean that veteran's are not responsible for their actions, but does mean that the court recognizes that there may be more going on in the veteran's life that needs to be addressed.

It is a great program and works well. Are veteran's entitled to it... no. Am I glad the program is offered and works... YES!

http://www.courts.state.hi.us/special_projects/veterans_court.html
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PO2 Frances Smart
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A Viet Nam veteran with PTSD and significant psychosis was put to death the other day, because he blanked and killed a police officer in a particularly heinous way. The video of that death has become a training video for police departments everywhere on how not to approach a car. It was awful. And yet the courts had plenty of documentation as to the mental condition of the veteran. They were not allowed to consider that information during sentencing, however. I just feel it woud not have hurt anyone for that veteran to have been committed to a mental institution for the rest of his life. There is a program within the VA called Justice Outreach, which helps veterans who have been arrested to get help navigating the system. I called them just the other day for a fellow shipmate of mine who sustained brain damage on active duty and is now addicted to meth and dependent on alcohol. He went drinking, became belligerent, and when a police officer and an EMT tried to get him out of the bar, he hit both of them. As much as I feel that anyone who hits an EMT, who is just there to help, deserves to sit on their butt in jail for a few months, my friend needs help. It doesn't solve anything to let him sit there. Better to get him into rehab. Better for the system, better for my friend, better for society.
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PO2 Frances Smart
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I totally agree, Capt. Brown. That situation was an absolute tragedy for everyone involved. The veteran was wrong, dead wrong, as it turns out, but no one was listening/paying attention. And that poor officer died because no one was giving that veteran the attention he so desperately needed.
I have been needing treatment for my MST for a year and a half now, but no one seems to be able to fit me into their schedule. Unfortunately, the VA is not fulfilling its mission. I did get one of those Veterans Choice cards in the mail the other day, and given that I have been seeing a civilian psychologist, I may qualify to have the VA pay for it. My plan is to get the civilian to diagnose me, something the VA was reluctant to do (as usual, they said I had borderline personality disorder from childhood trauma, instead of addressing the real issue, which is that they let felons on active duty in the 1980's and there were thousands of incidents of sexual assault because of it), so that I can get compensation for what happened to me. I have been in this process for FIVE long years now. Viet Nam was in the 60's and 70's. I can only imagine what that soldier was going through.
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PO2 Frances Smart
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I didn't say that, Scott. I said the death penalty is not the most effective way of dealing with these situations. It would have been better to get the veteran the help he needed, or to have institutionalized him well before the event occurred. I feel very badly for everyone involved in that situation. No one was a winner here. And yes, though I have my own issues, I do not go around killing or mutilating sexual offenders because of what happened to me. But the difference between that veteran and me is that I am not psychotic or bipolar, and he was both of those. There is a reason we have a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity in this country. And it failed him miserably.
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SPC James Mcneil
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On a case by case basis, this could possibly work. At first glance, I was tempted to say no based on the title of the thread, but looking at the question in its entirety, I understand more about the intent.
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MSgt Arvin Stott
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While I am tempted to say yes to the question, after considering it I have to say no. A crime is a crime. If you commit one then you should pay the price. Why should you get credit for serving after doing a less than honorable act.

Generally, speaking you do the crime, you should be ready to do the time. Not saying there will not be occasions where special consideration should be given, but that is true whether you served or not.
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SGT Robert R.
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A person's circumstance should be considered in the sentencing phase of a convicted sentence, and I would hope they are for veterans with mental instabilities or disabilities.

That being said, no one should get special favors because of who they are or what they have seen during a criminal investigation or trial. No person is, or should, above the law.
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SFC Nikhil Kumra
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Absolutely not. SEVERAL reasons for this:

1) First and foremost, your oath should NOT end once your service is complete. The values that you've lived by in the service should NOT end as you retire or ETS...

2) People are people and those in the service risk their tail to ensure that people remain free and are considered "equal" - To include veterans. And therefore, we should be seen as equal in the eyes of the law.

3) This is probably going to be the most unpopular - Everyone's offended nowadays. Everybody is "tolerant" today - to the extent to where if you oppose a view intellectually, you're intolerant and therefore, ignorant, or worse, "toxic". So many have some sort of chip on their shoulder, some sort of PTSD related bad habit, or behavior. Or at least think this in their mind.... The veteran culture out in the civilian world has become one of victimization and sadness. I have, and I'm not joking or being facetious, have heard of office clerks claiming anxiety or even "nightmares" of the amount of paperwork they had to do... Really?

I can understand if the individual truly has some sort of mental illness due to service - then yes, get them the treatment that they need, and in the meanwhile, fix the system on how we react to mentally ill criminals as a whole. It's broken on the civilian side as well as the military/VA end.

This is just unacceptable behavior. Providing special treatment to veterans when they do something stupid is feeding int that. We need a change in culture and mind set...
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