Posted on Sep 11, 2021
SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres
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Please do not comment if you are still serving in the Military in some capacity; a/o where potentially your job, livelihood, or position could be at risk.
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I'm not for or against CRT. I stand with General Milleys response that a bunch of people chose to charge the Capitol and I don't share their POV so I don't really understand why. So I want to know what motivates them.

That's not entirely true for me personally, I grew up in the most racist place I've ever been in my entire life, Central Pennsylvania. I got chased and beat for being white, I saw people get beat for being black, and Puerto Rican, people wanted to burn crosses on our lawn, there were race riots at my school.... All that crazy stuff.

I have been the minority where everyone hates you for your skin color and it sucks. Most of America hadn't experienced that and they should learn that it exists. You should have empathy for your peers and the mud they had to crawl through to get where they are at.

I also don't agree with the schsim of CRT that believes people carry some type of race guilt. I know it's not that common, and I know that the rare occasion it pops up, the hard right news tries to use that as a cover for all CRT. You have crazies on the left that believe all white people should spend their lives atoning for the sins of their grand cousins, and you have crazies on the right who believe in things like "legitimate rape". The point is that crazy people are drawn to polarizing politics, and crazy politicians will capitalize on polarizing politics for short term gain.
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SGT Robert Wager
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Yet again, you have summarized my feelings better than I could. I happened to read this post again and found your comment
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SrA Scott Baer
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SFC Thomas McMahon - Outstanding and beyond BS disgraceful your full on experience wasn't on every news outlet in the country, around the world for that matter.. Then again, how could the left possibly rip OUR America apart and then completely fleece the taxpayer with neverending lies, that soon end up in their own private accounts...The border remains open for business while one of the most corrupt countries in Europe is instead allowed border protection with more lies that Putin is in anyway losing... Shocking how few are aware of where many of the real deal Nazis ended up after WWII and certainly wasn't entirely in South America.. God Bless and protect all patriots as the only buffer to the worst treason in government in our life times...
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SFC Thomas McMahon generally, as a rule, I don't respond to old threads. Once a comment section has hit 72 hours it's dead to me. But in this case, I think it's important to respond be no single bit of Intel is more important than the person on the scene.

I understand the motives of the people storming the Capitol, or at least the fear that caused it. The point isn't that you or I understand it, it's that people who weren't there need to understand the motivations behind it. A significant portion of those people fall under the Q Anon and other far right conspiracy theories, including the replacement theory a recent shooter left a manifesto about. Were they they 0.5% of the group? Probably. But as you pointed out, it was the 0.5% of the group who was there with bad intentions.

You pointed out that the criminal riots in other parts of the country were much worse and I have no doubts about your first hand account. Bringing terror into the halls of Congress makes it a political crime and political criminals have always been punished more harshly because their crimes represent ideas. In this case, that a small group of angry people can stop legislation from moving forward. If this wasn't prosecuted aggressively then every single election year the losing faction would storm the capitol and attempt to stop the confirmation process. Then every fringe group would storm congress every time that a vote on something decicive takes place like a vote on abortion or gun laws.
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SFC Thomas McMahon I also want to point out that as a Soldier in OIF 2, I understand the complete disconnect between what the media and politicians are showing and what's happening on the ground. I remember sitting in Iraq watching the news and thinking this is just one big opportunity for each side to spin a convenient tale. You find out real quick that for most politicians the military is just a convenient PR photo prop or talking point to be fake enraged about.

As for the insurrection part, I agree that there was no intended and planned insurrection. But just like you don't plan a murder when you bring guns to a robbery you get charged with it when people get shot. In this instance a ver, very small contingent of people showed up with the intent of stopping the democratic process and ensuring their choice of leaders was installed. While they may not have planned an insurrection, they participated in one. If they were on a ship it would be called a mutiny. If they were in Malaysia it would be an attempted coup. I certainly do believe that the majority of people just got caught up in mob rush mentality and didn't start with I'll intention. However, there were definitely a few who showed up, kitted up, and went in with a specific mission of stopping the confirmation process.
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This question requires an actual definition of critical race theory.

Should our military universities teach the problems of race relations and slavery as it relates to history? Yes, is that history problematic? Yes. Should we teach any race to feel humiliated or guilty for the sins of their ancestors? No. We must stay vigilant to not repeat the mistakes our forefathers made. We should strive to achieve the dream of MLK and judge everyone by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
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SGT Robert Wager
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PO3 Justin Bowen everything you just commented about is conjecture and opinion. What is “white nationalism”? I have no problem discussing race relations. What I won’t discuss is dog whistle political statements without actual hard facts.
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SGT Robert Wager
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SPC Jackie Blackman very true. Too many people get their information from partisan news sources like Fox News or MSNBC and don’t dig any deeper into an issue. They only want enough information to reinforce their core beliefs and never take a critical look at those core beliefs. I think we all should question what we believe and why we believe it. We all may find out that the “other” side of an issue isn’t totally wrong
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PO3 Justin Bowen
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CPL James S. "...and the current popularity of the idea that people should suffer social exclusion for their abhorrent actions."

There. Fixed that for you.

Freedom speech and freedom of association does not mean people should be free from legal consequences imposed by society.
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CPO James Walker
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Very well said SGT. I agree totally with this post.
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LTC Orlando Illi
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Why? What possible benefit would be gained by teaching a Marxist based theory predicated upon a questionable academic basis???
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PO2 Joe Crawford
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LTC Orlando Illi very well stated, coherent and on point to the conversation.
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CMSgt Randy Beck
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LCDR (Join to see) - Very well said sir! Too many people in the recent decades have tried to take the military out of the military and use is as some type of social experiment. I loved serving in uniform, at the end of my career though I was ready to depart as I could not be a part of what was happening with the lack of discipline and everyone questioning everything. How many military people in WWI, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf Wars were thinking about CRT and all the marxist propaganda BS that has now crept into everyday military life? Everyone then was focused on performing their job, completing the mission, and defeating the enemy as to preserve freedom at home so that crap would not infiltrate our daily lives. How can these modern day generals serve this nation if they don't even believe in preserving our history (no matter that it was good or bad)?
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SPC Robert McElreath
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Kudos on all of the responses, Gentlemen. I don't think I saw any Ladies in there. If I missed you, apologies. My father grew up racist, in the deep south and, once struck a black man for failing to call him "Mr." After that same man lifted a car off him, after the jack had collapsed, he had an epiphany and abandoned his racist beliefs. When my mother was in nursing school, her black classmates were frequent guests in our home and my father was the epitome of the "Southern Gentleman", to them and all it took was a car falling on him and a very forgiving guy lifting it off. After that, if anyone else had given his rescuer a problem, they'd have had to fight my old man. Too bad it took that to get his head on straight, but it worked. my brother & I grew up in a non-racist household and I have never had a problem with any ethnicity that did not, first, have one with me. SO I can add my voice to the anti-crters. Equality of opportunity but not of outcome. "...Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness." No guaranteed outcome, just guaranteed opportunity. "Muster RIGHT Here, With Sgt. Mack" MSG Mack (Ret)
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SGT Cass Hill
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Ah yes, marxism.. one of the scary words you like to use to describe things you don't understand, don't know anything about, but are afraid of.

If you knew at all what Marxism was, then the first thing you'd learn about CRT is that it has nothing to do with Marxism, I'd say the most immediate benefit would be field grade officers wouldn't get caught making such foolish comments
The broader benefit would be teaching soldiers actual American historical instead of the whitewashed fairytale version of history that you prefer. Any good soldier should strive to know the facts of their own history, whether they like it or not
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