Posted on Feb 4, 2015
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Should we as Americans view the video of the Jordanian pilot being executed by ISIS? Many news media organizations are refusing to show it due to its sheer brutality and disturbing nature. They argue that it helps to spread ISIS's propaganda message of terror and fear. Other news organizations have shown pictures from the video and have provided links (with warnings about the graphic content) to the video in full. They argue that it is necessary to understand the magnitude of the incident. I have my own thoughts on this ethical dilemma, but I want to hear what the RallyPoint community thinks about this. Should the video be shown in the media? Would you watch it? Is it spreading terrorist propaganda or understanding the enemy?
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SGT Aaron Olivas
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I feel to Service Members It makes us Ready to fight the Evil that has become and continues but the Civilian Sector will only be for most part afraid of ISIS, side note* to all Retired/Veterans and Service Members don't watch it at 1 AM in the morning before going to bed not the best idea.
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1stSgt Timothy Lucas
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It amazes me that some legitamate companies can spend millions of dollars for a 1 minute television commercial to promote their agenda, but terrorist groups and organizations like ISIS get 24 hour coverage on the news networks for free (promoting their agenda). Just my thoughts.
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1stSgt Timothy Lucas
1stSgt Timothy Lucas
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Clarification: I am not suggesting that there is no media coverage of these types of events or that they should be made available to the public. I just don't think that these groups (or their videos) should receive 24 hour coverage for days on end.
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PO2 Thomas J.
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Some 20 million veterans in the US, who do you think will fight the guerrilla war once they reach US soil and begin terrorizing main street USA? We will, along with 17 million avid hunters a few million police officers and of course active duty, guard and reservists. It's important to know what we are up against when dealing with with them.
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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PO2 Thomas J. PO; Isn't postulating that 20,000 people are going to be able to defeat the entire military might of the United States of America and force the country into waging a guerrilla war against its occupiers a bit premature?
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There is nothing complicated with this issue. ISIS does not understand us as we do not understand them and their methods of war or of terror. They mistake us for a weak nation lacking in moral strength or force of character. That we as a nation and a people would run or bend at our knees to their will. This will not happen. And at the same we don't understand their will to fight on with all the blow's the air strike's are giving them, the hard ground fighting still going on in the area. And they will not bend at the knees to Westerners. An old saying comes to mind, "Don't look back in anger, or ahead in fear but around you in awareness."
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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CW4 (Join to see) There is a difference between "not understanding the fact" and "not accepting that the fact exists".

You don't have to "understand" the resistance that the fanatical adherents to ISIS are prepared to put up to make proper provisions for its existence.

HOWEVER, if you neglect to even plan for that fanatical resistance you are going to in a CBTFU situation - and rapidly.
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Capt Radar Navigator
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In my humble (although becoming less and less so all the time) opinion, this should be required viewing. Of course, I'm not going to make anybody watch it, but seeing the act lends a context and gives a weight to the barbarism occurring that is otherwise absent.

I watched it. Was I horrified? Certainly not to the extent I was expecting, watching a man burned to death. Instead, I feel galvanized, steeled against the brutality in the video and more resolute than ever to defeat the threat of radical Islam. Will everybody share my view? Assuredly not. But I think those that decry it as "spreading propaganda" need to reexamine their motives and possibly get over their squeamishness. As an American, I think it does serve somewhat as a propaganda tool, but perhaps not in the way the publishers intended. As with the video of the WTC towers collapsing, I think this and the other videos could be a rallying point to denounce their acts and finally force us into action. Maybe we should see if that's the case.
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Cpl Glenn Barrick
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It shows how Isis is at there core
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SGT Craig Northacker
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Perhaps we should bring back napalm...
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I'm pretty sure burning anybody to death, either muslim or non-muslim, is "harram" according to Islam. Even burning dead bodies is forbidden according to the Koran if I remember correctly. Just goes to show how unislamic IS really is.
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SGT Craig Northacker
SGT Craig Northacker
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I hear you-but does an eye for an eye gives rise to precedent? Actually, it was all banned for good reasons...just sucks looking at what the world has devolved to.
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SGT Craig Northacker
SGT Craig Northacker
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You make excellent points, and phrased a bit differently the sardonic sense of ironies in play, SrA Tommy G. We have so many elements of incompetence in play on a global level I do not know if there are any answers left. But I am endeavoring to try anyway.
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CPO Travis Mack
CPO Travis Mack
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The only difference is that if a Muslim is aiding the infidels then it's acceptable. Of course, there's always SOME kind of convenient excuse or justification. When they kill civilians, they call them martyrs as well. I will say, that I DO find it odd that "they" will get so violently outraged over an insult to Islam when it's by a Westerner, yet when the"insult" comes from within - by Muslims who are (according to "them") making Islam look bad because "this" is not "true Islam", "they" seem remarkably quiet about it. I would think if anything, "they" would be more apt to put boot to a$$ and handle it internally, than to further allow Western involvement. Unless... it's all BS. If anyone has been tolerant of Islamic terrorism, it has been the Middle East. The West, of course, would never hold anyone in the ME accountable.
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CPT Hhc Company Commander
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It is important to be able to see it. However, I think sharing still images is just enough to showcase the horrors of it. I'll do everything I can to protect my daughter from the evil of the world for as long as I can so that she understands the pieces that are good in the world, and that there is some good left in some people. My views are relatively jaded from 15 years in the medical field and the things that shock me are very rapidly diminishing. I've seen death and the mourning of families...even though I am not a combat vet. The graphic violence that ISIS endorses is disturbing, but I would rather see them annihilated than take a knee to a bunch of animals.

I don't want my family seeing all of that. Let them grow up to understand that evil exists and it is the jobs of our fighting men to go off and do the "unspeakable truths" that are necessary to protect a free society. Not everyone is mentally equipped to handle the harsh realities of the world outside of the United States and some of the developed nations, and that is a good thing...otherwise such behavior could easily become acceptable here in our own borders.
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Well said CPT (Join to see). Thanks for sharing your perspective.
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I watched the video because I believe in the Geneva Convention, the Law of War, tolerance and the Golden Rule. I need to remember that the current enemies of the United States do not obey or recognize those rules. I recall how in Iraq my 11Bs took away my medical aid bag an geared me up as an 11 series soldier precisely because the Islamic radicals were targeting and sniping for medical personnel first in order to inflict the maximum damage upon the unit; an act in total violation of the Rules of Law of which they refused to recognize. I will continue to take the higher ground understanding that under no circumstances should we expect that same tolerance and respect and should prepare myself accordingly. Awareness of reality is not buying into their propaganda but recognizing the terrain we are operating in.
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CPL Infantryman
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To judge whether I believe its real or not, I watched it. The studio like productions mean it could easily be faked. Don't believe everything you see on the internet.
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