Posted on Feb 3, 2016
Should women be eligible for the next military draft?
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I'll go you one further. You ask, should they be "eligible," and I say they should be "required!" If it comes to a draft, 50% of the population are women, so 50% of the draftees should be women.
As for enlistments and service in the Combat Arms, the same principal should apply. If women (and our Generals and our POS) insist on opening up the Combat Arms to women, it has to be more than just opening them up to those who want it. I'm not sure how many enlistees end up in the Infantry, "for the good of the service," but if 23% of all enlistees are women, then there damn well better be 23% of those who end up in the Infantry "for the good of the service."
As for enlistments and service in the Combat Arms, the same principal should apply. If women (and our Generals and our POS) insist on opening up the Combat Arms to women, it has to be more than just opening them up to those who want it. I'm not sure how many enlistees end up in the Infantry, "for the good of the service," but if 23% of all enlistees are women, then there damn well better be 23% of those who end up in the Infantry "for the good of the service."
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No female that is currently serving would have any reason to say no to this. Also, if any of you know anything about the draft then you know the majority of draftees were for combat support. Women should have had to sign up for the draft as soon as we were allowed in the regular Army. The answer to this question is obvious.
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Why not end the draft registration for everyone? We're an all volunteer military. We volunteered which means that we'll go where we're told and do what we're told to do. That's what we signed up for. The rest of the folks out there didn't choose that life. That choice needs to be respected. As I see it, forcing people to fight for a cause they don't agree with is wrong and possibly dangerous. Perhaps, as a country we should be a bit more discerning about the conflicts we engage in and the costs associated with it. What do you suppose would happen to morale and unit cohesion if we flooded our rank and file with thousands of people who didn't want to be there in the first place or completely disagreed with the reason for the conflict they were forced to engage in? It hasn't worked out to our benefit historically.
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I voted NO, but I would have also voted NO if the question had asked the same question about men. The draft clearly fits the definition of slavery/servitude, an institution I thought we'd done away 150+ years ago. Our volunteer force is the finest, best trained, and most capable military on the globe. If we need good people to fight a war, then, instead of turning a generation of 18-24 year olds into slaves, we should encourage enlistment and commission through higher pay and benefits, and by ensuring our cause is just, and warrants the military action in the first place. My opinion, respectfully stated.
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MCPO Roger Collins
I suppose you could be right if you ignore the reason the Selective Service exists and no world war or major "conflict" occurs that the AVF can't provide sufficient manning to protect the nation.
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SSG Gerhard S.
I would suggest that most people would be repulsed if a person wanted to enslave another person. Most would consider forcing someone to work, against their will, for the benefit of others as both illegal, and immoral. Why is doing so at the hands of the government
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SSG Gerhard S.
contributed: any less repugnant? The word "draft" in this context, is a euphemism for slavery, it servitude, and I, for one condone neither. Respectful regards.
Servitude: a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life
Servitude: a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life
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SPC Keelan Southerland
I recently met a WW2 vet who told me he did not respect the current vets because they joined for the money. So I broke down my deployment paycheck for him and compared it to someone working at the local McDonald's, it came out to 3.33 before taxes and health care. He and I had a long talk about the Draft vs an all Volunteer Military and at the end of the conversation he had changed his mind.
The reason I bring this up is the idea of people being slaves as SSG Seidel is suggesting. The Greatest Generation had a very large number of people who were drafted and were proud to serve and did not see it as slavery. They saw it as their national duty. That attitude has been lost in this day and age. If you ask yourself what has changed it would more than likely go back to Vietnam and the problems, which stemmed from that war. The Draft has a stigma and everyone starts the "indentured servitude" talk. I can understand, but if there were a force attacking the US on our soil and took out a large portion of our troops, it would be necessary to reinstate the draft to protect the Nation. I am not saying that is going to happen, but if that were to happen and there were no draft, what would you have? The Second Amendment? Not in some States. So before you throw the baby out with the bathwater think about the implications.
The reason I bring this up is the idea of people being slaves as SSG Seidel is suggesting. The Greatest Generation had a very large number of people who were drafted and were proud to serve and did not see it as slavery. They saw it as their national duty. That attitude has been lost in this day and age. If you ask yourself what has changed it would more than likely go back to Vietnam and the problems, which stemmed from that war. The Draft has a stigma and everyone starts the "indentured servitude" talk. I can understand, but if there were a force attacking the US on our soil and took out a large portion of our troops, it would be necessary to reinstate the draft to protect the Nation. I am not saying that is going to happen, but if that were to happen and there were no draft, what would you have? The Second Amendment? Not in some States. So before you throw the baby out with the bathwater think about the implications.
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Women are already volunteering for the military in a variety of duties so they are not afraid to serve, and I am pretty sure that most women would go if drafted.
A draft, hopefully it will never be needed, is no guarantee that everyone will be drafted or if drafted accepted or be granted a waiver of some sort. President Bill Clinton avoided Vietnam because of college waivers, Dr. Ben Carson stayed in college, Donald Trump never served because of waivers, Bruce Springsteen was drafted but rejected on medical grounds and President George Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard if I recall correctly and never went to Vietnam.
The draft doesn't mean that everyone will be called upon to serve and there are going to be many waivers granted and many potential draftees rejected for a variety of reasons if there is ever a draft again and women would be no exception.
Selective Service Registration should be required for every male or female at the age of 18 unless they are physically or mentally handicapped to prevent proper military service.
A draft, hopefully it will never be needed, is no guarantee that everyone will be drafted or if drafted accepted or be granted a waiver of some sort. President Bill Clinton avoided Vietnam because of college waivers, Dr. Ben Carson stayed in college, Donald Trump never served because of waivers, Bruce Springsteen was drafted but rejected on medical grounds and President George Bush served in the Texas Air National Guard if I recall correctly and never went to Vietnam.
The draft doesn't mean that everyone will be called upon to serve and there are going to be many waivers granted and many potential draftees rejected for a variety of reasons if there is ever a draft again and women would be no exception.
Selective Service Registration should be required for every male or female at the age of 18 unless they are physically or mentally handicapped to prevent proper military service.
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They feel that they are equal to men, so let take a crack at some of the jobs that are stressful , and see how they take it.
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