Posted on Feb 17, 2017
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Here's the background. You are an experienced Soldier. You walk in to the commissary to see a young 2LT shopping with a headset on. You professionally and politely get the 2LT’s attention and address the deficiency. They blatantly are rude, dismiss your comment, and tell you that those rules do not apply to him as an officer. Whether you are an Officer or Enlisted, how do you react?
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CPT Nicholas D.
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If you are junior in paygrade, you make a respectful correction. If he (or she) blows you off, you can pass it up your chain to whoever cares. If you are senior, you can make a more demanding address, but should still be courteous and not made with a scene. (Praise in public, punish in private) I have never understood however, why some believe that things like uniform infractions are fair game to dump all other Army regulations. There is always THAT GUY who is springloaded to jump into people's faces. Courtesy costs nothing.

Story time...

Taji Iraq, a few years ago, I was in the gym with a few fellow Warrant Officers. While using the bench, a soldier approached us, identified himself as a SFC, and asked if we were NCOs. We replied that we are Warrant Officers. He then asks "how can we let him... (pointing to a comrade) get away with that?" We were confused. I asked whether my fellow pilot was demonstrating poor form with his dumbell flys, and the NCO started getting heated over the black socks my CW3 companion was wearing. He wasn't polite or courteous about it. We acknowledged the uniform infraction, thanked the NCO for his attention to detail, and that we'd be making sure he didn't come to the gym again with black socks for the next two weeks (until then SMA Dailey finalizes the official uniform change.) Dropping all custom, courtesy, and respect... the NCO demanded my friend leave the gym immediately and "fix his sh*t." To avoid a scene, my teammate exited stage right and the NCO walked away with a big cocky grin on his face. Was my friend wrong? Yes. Did the "on the spot correction" need to get hostile... in a gym... in a combat zone? I say No. Was the NCO out of line with his "display?" Oh yeah!!!

So, I stewed on it for 10 minutes grinding my teeth through our last set until I decided it was time to make an "on the spot correction" to the "on the spot correction." I meandered back to where NCO Socks was finishing his gluteal stretch and asked him if he knew what AR 600-25 was. He gave me the blank stare and blinked. In a polite and informative tone, I explained to the Senior NCO that AR 600-25 is the regulation where we derive a lot of our customs and courtesies. When we had identified ourselves as Warrant Officers (and senior Warrants at that), his tone got inappropriate. Just as "out of order" as my friend's socks were that day, so was the way he addressed our group. I asked him to in the future when administering on the spot corrections, to please "fix his sh*t."

This begs a question. What poses greater damage to good military order and discipline? Deployed Black Hawk pilots with incorrect sock color in the gym or Senior NCOs that can't speak to Senior Officers in a respectful tone?

Everyone hates 2LTs. 2LTs hate 2LTs. But if we believe in good military order and discipline, we don't sacrifice our respect for each other to be uniform martyrs. If a 2LT is wearing headphones in the commissary, you are well within your right to inform the officer of his inappropriate headgear indoors. If he is disrespectful and indignant, then in my humble opinion, his attitude is a bigger infraction than the headset. That's definitely worth addressing. But I have never been impressed by stories of NCOs giving some idiot officer a piece of their mind while tossing courtesy in the garbage can. That's not being a good NCO.
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2LT Signal Officer
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Always Respect the rank, it is not easy to become a 2LT. Try attending if you meet the qualifications or even get selected. Only here you will see NCOs who can’t even pass a ACFT test think they outrank an LT and telling them what to do. There are various routes to becoming an LT. As an SFC who goes to OCS and becomes an LT, i am not barely a butter bar and now you think you can disrespect and talk smack to an LT. O-1 is not E-1 or private. I can have more time in service than you and experience also. This is not rocket science. If you have an issue, go and report to someone higher in his chain. Stop exchanging words with an LT. He earned that rank and deserves the respect. There is a reason why they are higher in the chain of command and not under you senior NCOs. Don’t get it twisted. The disrespect i see towards LTs from even junior NCOs is getting out of hand.
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Sgt Steve Williams
Sgt Steve Williams
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SFC Greg Bruorton - Well said. Working out in the gym doesn't usually require inspection-ready uniforms.
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SSG Gary Runcie
SSG Gary Runcie
11 mo
Back MANY years ago as a SP4 I would often see our BN XO with pocket un buttoned. I mentioned it a couple of times politely and he buttoned the pocket. After a few times when ever he saw me he would check his pockets smile. He then always requested me when he needed a driver, not sure if it was a punishment or respect that I knew how to interact with officers.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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2LT (Join to see) -.....
Ya Gots-ta Be Kidding "it's is not easy to become a 2LT."?
I Mean,"Where Else Can An Officer Start"? There's Only One "Bottom".
And Being A 2nd Lt Is About As far Down The Chain Of Command As One Can Get.
.. It's Like Training Wheels Are Related To Learning How To Ride A Bike.....Unless Of Course You Stared In Cub Scouts...... Ya Gotta Start Somewhere; And Just Because You Have A College Degree, Does NOT Mean "You're Educated", Nor Does It Mean You're "Intelligent"... Ya Showed Up For Class, Paid The Fees, Now Ya Got The Paperwork! Congratulations, Now You're An Officer---- Trainee.
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1SG Mike Case
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If I approached this 2LT and he was unprofessional, I would continue to follow him and remain professional, but would in a very loud voice, continue to remind him of his uniform discrepancy. Eventually someone who outranks both of us would find us and step in. I would then explain the situation and if I received a reprimand for my actions, so be it, but GMA gives us all the right to make those on-the-spot corrections. Before I sewed my name tapes on, I walked into the shoppette and I heard a very timid voice say "1SG" like three or four times and I finally turned around and saw a young female PV2 standing there and she proceeded to inform me that I had two U.S. Army name tapes on. Talked about embarrassed but I thanked her for squaring me away and I walked out of the shoppette and got my name tapes sewn on that day.
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SFC Leo Augustin
SFC Leo Augustin
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LOL i think having someone pointing out that you had two U.S Army name tapes and following a 2LT around to make your point is two different things. you had to fix that name tape situation however once you corrected that 2LT and he did not fix the issue, you did your part move on, i would not follow someone around and making a commotion hoping that someone that out ranks both of us would step in. i know for me if someone was following me and talking loudly right or wrong we will have a situation. for me whenever i made corrections to some one i pull them aside and explain so they can understand, if i outrank you then you really do not have an option, fix it. if you out rank me then i will move on and let you find out the hard way, but i will not be following you around that will only elevate the situation and hope you don't get hurt.
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PO1 David Newman
PO1 David Newman
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SFC Leo Augustin - I agree! Do your part and regardless of his reaction, move on!
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
SPC Lyle Montgomery
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SGT Dan Gray - I love that post and can relate to what you are saying. Right on to your brother
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SFC Frederick Dalton
SFC Frederick Dalton
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I had a similar incident, a young PV2 approached me and said “Sergeant, your nametape and US Army are reversed”. Kid sounded terrified, like I was gonna eat his face. I thanked him for his professionalism and fixed my uniform.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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Well I can say, when I was in Afghanistan I had a 1LT, good guy did his job, but one day walking back from the DFAC, an CSM stopped him and asked him where is eye protection was, his answer to the CSM was I don't wear it. He kept right on walking, but unfortunately for LT the CSM was accompanied by a LTC, who them came up and asked the LT to "unf**K" himself and apologize to his CSM for not listening when he was making an on the spot adjustment. I am sure there has to be an officer of higher rank that would love to correct that 2LT.
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1SG Ernest Stull
1SG Ernest Stull
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CSM, back in the day carried a lot of authority and had the respect of the whole battalion etc. With that being said once the ARMY made all NCO;s who were quote not in the chain of command but in the chain of concern. NCO" who had the backbone of the ARMY is no longer. So Ladies and Gentlemen The NCO all of them need to take back the backbone. Just saying.
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MAJ Gregory Moon
MAJ Gregory Moon
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I used to leave my eye pro one the keepers around my neck one clear one smoke. I know it made SGMS itch. Unfortunately uniform policy is a floating concept. So at some point you are going to mess up and get corrected.
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SPC Paul Eiden
SPC Paul Eiden
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In BCT at Ft Leonard in the woods had a acting jack three stripe in charge of the next platoon who was very degrading to everyone in his and other platoons. About week 7 his platoon found out he was an acting jack and that night he ended up in a blanket party in the coal room. He was gone the next day to an assignment at a different post. Justice served.
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SFC Clark Adams
SFC Clark Adams
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PFC David Chambers - far too many CSMs think they are God!
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