Posted on Feb 17, 2017
Similar to the E-2 question, how would you react to a young 2LT who is being unprofessional with a strong sense of entitlement?
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Here's the background. You are an experienced Soldier. You walk in to the commissary to see a young 2LT shopping with a headset on. You professionally and politely get the 2LT’s attention and address the deficiency. They blatantly are rude, dismiss your comment, and tell you that those rules do not apply to him as an officer. Whether you are an Officer or Enlisted, how do you react?
Posted 9 y ago
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Look at his rank, name plate and unit insignia. You now have all the information you need to report hi to his unit of assignment. Even though you don't have the first name you have enough. Any senior NCO you can find should be more than happy to check out the situation and get it corrected. Unless you are a Senior NCO just respectfully notify the lieutenant of the observation and find that NCO or Senior Officer and give it to them. If they are a good leader they will correct this for you and thank you for the observation. Don't push the situation yourself. Tread lightly but remember it is your responsibility to report this to your chain of Command immediately.
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All you need to do is record his name and rank , ask to see the post SGM and pass it on to him or her , by days end the LT will be standing before the base commander or his CO explaining why he is a shit head. simple as that . OR has the Army changed so much ? When I was in as a NCO I was taught that we had to train young officers , have things changes so much now ?
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At that point I ask his name and unit. Then I leave, call the MASTER CHIEF of the command and put it right to C.O. of the unit. None of the panty waisted crap following and hoping to run into someone senior. My old chief would have my butt if I slacked off good disciple.
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I'd remind him or her that as an officer in our military, they should be upholding the standard for these young troops they intend to lead. You know, the whole thing about "if you can't do and show the right thing here at home station, how do you expect the troops to do and show the right thing when deployed" discussion. Of course with technology now, it's much easier to put that 2LT on blast. So THAT is probably what I would ALSO do.
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Apply the reward his parents failed to give him. Take him over my knee and spank him.Today's military is grossly deficient in discipline.
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As a former E2 at the end of Vietnam war and later as a 2LT in mid 70's I think it is important that both groups (E2s and 2LTs) are young and still learning. Their brain regions that regulate this kind of behavior is also growing at this time. From a neuroscience perspective their frontal lobes for rational decision making may not be fully developed and based on their upbringing, training and education they may not make the right decisions or come across correctly for the given situation. Also their Limbic system (emotional brains) ware fully developed and can both go over active when they perceive some kind of improper slight or action. Frontal Lobes help regulate the response but again may not be fully developed for either group. So taking deep breaths, or count to 10 before you act or respond is a good technique too. One key aspect of the Army is we assign senior enlisted as Plt Sgts (whose frontal lobes based on age and training is probably fully developed) to not only serve in that role but also mentor the new butter bar on what he/she should be doing and saying. Both groups make mistakes and need to learn from them. So as a former E2 I now figure I was a training aide from my LTs so they could learn from their mistakes and hopefully become better commanders later on. You need to always respect the chain of command as long as what they are doing is legal and morally correct even if they aren't doing in the most appropriate way. Then work the NCO's to let them help mentor the LTs. 1SGs and Company commanders of course play in this role as well.
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Headset? What the hell's going on? Ignore the asshole and as soon as possible thank the post commander for lifting the headset restriction like 2LT Asswipe told you. Then every time you have to salute this jerk...smile.
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I'd continue with, " All due respect, the regulations are for all of us who serve." As an out ranking officer, depending on just how rude the Lt's response was, I'd start out the same way, then tell the lieutenant they'll have more success in their career if they check that attitude at the door.
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As a specialist I would take a photo, and then ask him where he bought them, to disarm him, then ask him what unit he was in. Then forward the picture to his CSM.
As a captain I would take the photo, then I would explain to him that he is in fact subject to AR 670-1, and that he will remove the items immediately. I would then ask for his unit and forward a complaint to his CO, with said picture.
if he refused to remove them and was flip about it or refused to give unit information, I would call the MP's and ask them to detain said officer for refusing a lawful order, failure to obey order or regulation, and disrespect to a superior commissioned officer.
I feel like officers, adn NCO's, always get away with shit, and everyone always comes down on the enlisted. If you really want to set an example you officers would quit covering for each other and start hanging people out to dry.
You want to inspire your men, hold officers to a higher standard than the enlisted are held.
As a captain I would take the photo, then I would explain to him that he is in fact subject to AR 670-1, and that he will remove the items immediately. I would then ask for his unit and forward a complaint to his CO, with said picture.
if he refused to remove them and was flip about it or refused to give unit information, I would call the MP's and ask them to detain said officer for refusing a lawful order, failure to obey order or regulation, and disrespect to a superior commissioned officer.
I feel like officers, adn NCO's, always get away with shit, and everyone always comes down on the enlisted. If you really want to set an example you officers would quit covering for each other and start hanging people out to dry.
You want to inspire your men, hold officers to a higher standard than the enlisted are held.
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