Posted on Feb 17, 2017
Similar to the E-2 question, how would you react to a young 2LT who is being unprofessional with a strong sense of entitlement?
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Here's the background. You are an experienced Soldier. You walk in to the commissary to see a young 2LT shopping with a headset on. You professionally and politely get the 2LT’s attention and address the deficiency. They blatantly are rude, dismiss your comment, and tell you that those rules do not apply to him as an officer. Whether you are an Officer or Enlisted, how do you react?
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Since I would've been senior to the young Lieutenant, I'd simply and quietly direct him/her to remove the headphones. I'd then explain why such behaviour is unacceptable and emphasize that, as a leader, he/she is responsible to set the example and therefore is held to a higher standard.
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When faced with a situation in basic training For lock and load a recruit jumped the trigger and nailed my thumb. My sergeant made me go to 2nd lieutenant and get permission to go to hospital to get my thumb pinned. Lt. asked me to wait till tomorrow and I cursed him out, due to the pain and he reluctantly acceded to my request.
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Accountability at times requires tough love as they say. Soldiers (regardless of enlisted/officer) are subject to this high standard of accountability and therefore believe locating this individuals chain of command to alert them of such an instance would be appropriate.
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I was a 19D, 19K30 M1A2 Heavy. Through my 10 years I spent in the Army I was either on the Company Commander or Executive officers tank. With that being said a butterball or 1st LT always had to have their ass handed to them one-way or another. Don't get me wrong I've several LT's that were awesome and cool and knew what they were doing. I've had no issues of setting there ass straight. Back when I was in the Army 83-93 2/11th ACR, 3/67 Armor, 3/66 Armor and 3/66 2nd armor division (FWD) DS/DS. 2nd or 1st LT looked up to the E5 and E6's. That was a whole different army back then. Remember this sooner or later you'll probably end up in war together. You know what I mean. War is hell and it would be on his ass if he didn't listen to what your trying to teach his dumb ass or let him take one in the back.
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I would simply find out what unit he was in, go to his CO, and report him. If that didn't work out, I would proceed to go further up the chain of command. Even if that means contacting my Congressman to investigate why my report is being dismissed.
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If the 2LT was not in my command, as a Master Sergeant I would not engage with the 2LT. As a CSM that would be a different conversation. I do not see the need to be a Karen every time you step out of the door - stay in your lane, If it is not your lane, then refocus your energy.
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I would tell them they are probably correct as I have been around a long time and have a hard time keeping up with all the new changes, find out where they work and inquire about how they like their duty and how is the Army treating them so far? Then, when I am having coffee with the BN CSM (or the Command’s or Post’s depending where I worked) I’d bring up the subject of the new troops and get him on the subject. I’d tell him of the incident and let him take care of it.
I found that using the ear of the of the most senior person you have available, in a friendly manner, is ver effective. Do it over a regular cup of coffee and it is just discussing business. I made it a point of being invited to having coffee with my senior enlisted folks up the hall, over in the command building, or wherever they were. Being on Special Staff or letting them know I was eager to learn from them was always a boon for me.
I did on a couple of occasions made a ruffel for an over zealous 2LT and then interviewed him regarding his serious faux pas when I heard he had really dissed me…now that was fun. I tried to be professional and to treat all others professionally. I felt that it was also up to the 2Lts to learn to treat their NCPs with respect, too. We were the ones who were there to guide them.
I found that using the ear of the of the most senior person you have available, in a friendly manner, is ver effective. Do it over a regular cup of coffee and it is just discussing business. I made it a point of being invited to having coffee with my senior enlisted folks up the hall, over in the command building, or wherever they were. Being on Special Staff or letting them know I was eager to learn from them was always a boon for me.
I did on a couple of occasions made a ruffel for an over zealous 2LT and then interviewed him regarding his serious faux pas when I heard he had really dissed me…now that was fun. I tried to be professional and to treat all others professionally. I felt that it was also up to the 2Lts to learn to treat their NCPs with respect, too. We were the ones who were there to guide them.
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Unless I'm just coming off duty, or am on a lunch break, I'll be doing my shopping in civvies. I'm there to shop, not to muster. But this young LT is presumably in uniform, representing his unit by the patch on his sleeve, and so on. I pull out my ID, holding a thumb over my name (but *not* my rank).
"The rules apply to *all* of us, Lieutenant, every time we put on that uniform. Let's set the example, all right?" And unless he continues to make an issue of it, I'll just nod and let him square himself away, and leave it at that.
"The rules apply to *all* of us, Lieutenant, every time we put on that uniform. Let's set the example, all right?" And unless he continues to make an issue of it, I'll just nod and let him square himself away, and leave it at that.
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I remember General Powell telling about the time he saw a 2lt had a PVT keeping saluting him because he failed to. General Powell reminded the Lt that a salute has two parts. It must be returned.
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