Posted on Mar 20, 2014
SGT Bryon Sergent
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<p>This is totally a discussion based question. Would Like personal opinions.</p><p>You are the Leaders or soldiers&nbsp;of the unit that is ordered to go door to door and take weapons from citizens as it is illegal to posses after 200+ years of the second amendment. You are let's Say National Guard and or Reserve component inside your respective states.</p><p>And Go.......</p>
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Crap! Not this discussion again.

 

Nobody is coming to take your guns.

 

Not now, not ever.

 

Don't believe the hype.

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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Careful 1SG... You keep that up, the NRA is going to say that YOU'RE coming for the guns now...
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SSG(P) Technician
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It's a good discussion to have though, 1SG. Makes those of us think about what we would do in a given situation.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Never Could, Never Will Happen and as SFC Stephen Pate puts it so correctly that would be a clear and unmitigated violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. No need to even bother with the 2nd Amendment which doesn't even come into play also all of our laws come from British Common Law and that is a violation of base concept behind Magna Carta.
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IF this ever became an executive order or a traditional law created by the ratification process of the Constitution and the 536 Members of Congress (that represent the People who write, vote, boycott) didn't appeal it and agreed with it and our State Governor didn't disagree with it as the acting liaison with the benevolent companionship he has with our Adjutant General, didn't disagree with it. Then it would be our obligation to implement it. "No man is above the law". I hate reading or listening to these people that are like "President Obama is doing this, and we are all going into concentration camps and he's going to take our guns, blah blah." WTf, NO ONE person has the ability to create a law.  Executive Orders can and ARE sometimes overruled by Congress, especially if deemed unconstitutional.  It's not just ONE person, it's the entire U.S Government that would have to compromise, agree, have a majority, or negotiate the best interest of the people. Now dealing with civil unrest or riot control situations is a different scenario.  I can say that unquestionably that Kansas would never enforce or even acknowledge anything this extreme during this current climate. I say this because I'm a peacekeeper and Utopia doesn't exist on Earth. We discussed this in great detail within my platoon once and leadership would have quite an issue implementing this within the control of their subordinates.  If this was implemented. It would create a mutiny if the respective States administered this within their own borders. MO would have to do KS, and OK does CO and so forth.  We discuss Federal Vs State law all the time and our State would laugh if this were federal law, again, purely hypothetical.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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How dare you bring logic and reality into this discussion?! Bad from good sir, bad form. Reality has no place in these discussions..
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SFC Training Nco
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I've repeated this so many times and half the time it just falls on deaf ears.
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SPC Christopher Seitler
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Not to mention, the legislatures of each State must also agree to any changes (by a 3/4th agreement of all the states [38/50]) before any changes can actually take place.
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SGT Richard H.
SGT Richard H.
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Aside from the items described here by SFC (Join to see), there is one more final check/balance that almost always goes unnoticed. The Officer's oath.
Ours (enlisted) reads "...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice...."
The Officer's Oath reads: "...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same ; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter..."

See the difference?
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