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Donald Trump's entire 2019 State of the Union address | Full speech on CNN
President Donald Trump appeared before a divided Congress for the first time to appeal to lawmakers' sense of unity at a moment of deepening partisan spite. ...
Post Update (20 Feb 2020): I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments!
FREE SPEECH is NOT Dead or at best NOT YET Illegal!!! Adults are responding in this post - EXCELLENT! Some are whining! ~2/3's overall per the poll still believe SOTH was disrespectful at some level.
POTUS did have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, for not shaking SOTH hand when extended.
Some seemed to forget former President Clinton's own avoidance of military service (aka deferments) as they excoriated Trump for his deferments - Humm?
The Congress & POTUS need to quit excessive Tweeting and GET TO WORK for "We the people...." Cut the BS!!!
All in All , instructive post! Of course some will defend POTUS regardless, others will defend SOTH regardless.
Some of the adults that responded slammed them both and provided balanced responses that took a deeper critical look! You know who you are! Thank you!
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Post Update (12 Feb 2020): Please see my response to SGM(P) (Join to see)'s wise words in this post! Some might just be - surprised!
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Original Post
Background: By now the world is a buzz with what took place at the end of the SOTU by POTUS and the "ripping" by the SOTH at the end of the speech.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FyVGtMa4s)
Discussion: While I can respect the opinion of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to recommend centure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr2EodEAdU), I and many believe that the SOTH's behavior last night is worthy of the SOTH's own centure! The lack of leadership of the SOTH in the 'ripping up" of the SOTU address on live TV is shameful.
It makes NO different if you are RIGHT, CENTER or LEFT. The disrespect shown is not a sign of defiance of this POTUS or solidarity with her party. It is an open attack against "We the people....." As an Independent, I have not always agreed with POTUS on some issues, but that does not mean I will not show the Office of POTUS its proper due, regardless of who hold the office!
I have as does the SOTH the right to "respectfully disagree" as guaranteed under the 1st Amendment; however, as the SOTH the "ripping behavior" boarders on behaviors that reminds me of someone desiring to insight insurrection, but not be held accountable for the actions they transmit.
Recommendation: While the "majority members" of the House will not centure their own Speaker, perhaps the Senate might, in order to send a message to centure the SOTH for such a tantrum during the SOTU!
So my question is this:
Was the behavior of the SOTH a sign that the current SOTH as of Feb 2020 lacks both the maturity and leadership grit to behave in a manner worthy of that office as 3rd in line to be POTUS?
FREE SPEECH is NOT Dead or at best NOT YET Illegal!!! Adults are responding in this post - EXCELLENT! Some are whining! ~2/3's overall per the poll still believe SOTH was disrespectful at some level.
POTUS did have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, for not shaking SOTH hand when extended.
Some seemed to forget former President Clinton's own avoidance of military service (aka deferments) as they excoriated Trump for his deferments - Humm?
The Congress & POTUS need to quit excessive Tweeting and GET TO WORK for "We the people...." Cut the BS!!!
All in All , instructive post! Of course some will defend POTUS regardless, others will defend SOTH regardless.
Some of the adults that responded slammed them both and provided balanced responses that took a deeper critical look! You know who you are! Thank you!
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Post Update (12 Feb 2020): Please see my response to SGM(P) (Join to see)'s wise words in this post! Some might just be - surprised!
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Original Post
Background: By now the world is a buzz with what took place at the end of the SOTU by POTUS and the "ripping" by the SOTH at the end of the speech.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FyVGtMa4s)
Discussion: While I can respect the opinion of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to recommend centure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr2EodEAdU), I and many believe that the SOTH's behavior last night is worthy of the SOTH's own centure! The lack of leadership of the SOTH in the 'ripping up" of the SOTU address on live TV is shameful.
It makes NO different if you are RIGHT, CENTER or LEFT. The disrespect shown is not a sign of defiance of this POTUS or solidarity with her party. It is an open attack against "We the people....." As an Independent, I have not always agreed with POTUS on some issues, but that does not mean I will not show the Office of POTUS its proper due, regardless of who hold the office!
I have as does the SOTH the right to "respectfully disagree" as guaranteed under the 1st Amendment; however, as the SOTH the "ripping behavior" boarders on behaviors that reminds me of someone desiring to insight insurrection, but not be held accountable for the actions they transmit.
Recommendation: While the "majority members" of the House will not centure their own Speaker, perhaps the Senate might, in order to send a message to centure the SOTH for such a tantrum during the SOTU!
So my question is this:
Was the behavior of the SOTH a sign that the current SOTH as of Feb 2020 lacks both the maturity and leadership grit to behave in a manner worthy of that office as 3rd in line to be POTUS?
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What happened has a history of disrespect from this individual. Looking for power because of self interest isn't just a party issue but a woman wanting to be the first woman to attain the power of the gavel. Watching expressions on the face of this person speaks volumes of her attitude. I saw her when she was presented the gavel and it made me sick. Her look of triumph instead of humility and the way she caressed that symbol of authority was nauseating to say the least. School yard behavior of the women who fawn over her, dressing all alike to stand out as standing up for something that is far more reaching than they are capable of understanding and destaining the individual women that stand for true growth in our country. I would be ashamed if it was possible for them to see themselves through the eyes of a true American.
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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MSG Brenda Neal
PFC Ray Aquila what the commander in chief did or didn't do is irrelevant to this situation. She stands above and behind him during his speech to represent the American people. I served and was taught to respect the uniform not the person. Many times I had to go around such authority to get the job done. I didn't make a spectacle of myself. A deliberate act of disrespect if made by the president doesn't give anyone the right to sneer at the office of the presidency in a public forum. She should be above that to deserve the office she holds.
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Here behavior was consistent with Joe Wilson shouting “You Lie!” during the President’s speech. Conservatives applauded and laughed at his disrespect but now you’re crying foul. It’s karma.
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SFC Michael Peterson
Well, since Joe Wilson was censured for that, shouldn't the same standard be applied here or, are you advocating for a double standard because it's a democrat now?
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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So you're making this a political forum now?? This shouldn't be any part of our discussion. If two grown ass adults want to disrespect each other so be it . It's America..
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Simply amazing how ANYONE associated with the military can be supportive of #CadetBoneSpurs, especially after he CLAIMED to have raised $6mil to benefit vets when he chose to do a rally instead of attending a debate during the '16 campaign; claimed he had given the money to vet groups but REALLY diverted money to his campaign; was discovered by a journalist that he NEVER sent ANY money to vet groups - https://nym.ag/39SafyU - has down-played TBI as "headaches" in order to excuse his assertion that no US troops were injured in the Iranian rocket attack ... I mean, he can't ever be wrong, amirightorwhat ... has diverted money intended to upgrade military family housing in order to build his own version of the Maginot Line ... btw, how did that work to keep them pesky Huns out of France ... I'm no hero, just a ROTSEE college puke, but when he was feigning wicked bone spurs that prevented him from entering the draft, yet did not hamper him from participating in sports, I was masking my high blood pressure with meds and woeful eyesight by memorizing the chart in order to do what I considered to be my duty and responsibility as an American. Also, I was "not a fan" of the Vietnam War either, as he has said, but when your country calls on you, you respond. Do I hold a grudge? You betcha, with people like him and #HanoiJane, and will do so as long as there are 58,000+ names of my brothers and sisters engraved on that black, V-shaped wall.
Trump Fined $2 Million For Diverting Money From Vets Fundraiser to His Campaign
Generally speaking, it’s not great to take money meant for soldiers and use it for your political campaign instead.
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Yes, she was both disrespectful and wrong in how she handled this, NOT to mention that was an original copy and not "hers" but an official copy for the House's records...
Btw, it's "censure"...
Btw, it's "censure"...
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CPO Nate S.
PO2 Scott M. You gotta love "bubble heads". Yes, I know "Censure" vs "Centure". Was multi-tasking and my eyes were glazed over a bit. Did not catch, before I pressed. It happens!!!
Regardless, shipmate, thank you for the spell check. I am not ungrateful! But, I addressed with PFC Ray Aquila with my direct response to his "snarky" response: "By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out."
You know one respondent, in this post sent me a "private message" that I appreciated. So I hope I have gone back and fixed it - the misspelling in the original post!
Again, I liked your delivery better............ Just saying............. But, what I liked more was the integrity of the "private messenger" taking a different approach. But, I am an adult and as one. Misspelling is something I should know better than to do!
Regardless, shipmate, thank you for the spell check. I am not ungrateful! But, I addressed with PFC Ray Aquila with my direct response to his "snarky" response: "By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out."
You know one respondent, in this post sent me a "private message" that I appreciated. So I hope I have gone back and fixed it - the misspelling in the original post!
Again, I liked your delivery better............ Just saying............. But, what I liked more was the integrity of the "private messenger" taking a different approach. But, I am an adult and as one. Misspelling is something I should know better than to do!
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Censure the Speaker? No way in hell.
Durmpf is a vile, cruel, demented cretin. He should have been in Vietnam before I was. Cadidiot Bone Spurs is unfit and unqualified for the office held.
Durmpf is a vile, cruel, demented cretin. He should have been in Vietnam before I was. Cadidiot Bone Spurs is unfit and unqualified for the office held.
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Bottom line to all Orange IMPOTUS' SHEEP. IMPOTUS will always have after his name.......Donald J Trump, Sr (R), (IMP).
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PFC Ray Aquila
Alan K. - You are a coward like the Draft Dodging pig you support. Shame on you.......You served.......Orange IMPOTUS ran like a Scalded Rabbit.
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PFC Ray Aquila
Alan K. - By the by, Alan......Let me make one thing perfectly clear. I am a civilian, have been for over 50 years. Pvt is passe'
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PFC Ray Aquila
As far as I am concern there is but one side of the coin. This impeachment is bothering IMPOTUS so much he wants Congress to 'expunge' his being impeached. This will not happen. IMPOTUS does not want to associated with the like Johnson/Clinton. Bottom line. It will always be as follows: Donald J Trump Sr (R), (IMP).
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PFC Ray Aquila
ACQ does not apply. ACQ for all intense and purpose was merely to determine staying in office or not.
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Let's see if I've got this right.
Trump disrespects Pelosi by not doing the traditional handshake.
Pelosi tears his speech in half after he lies about NOT cutting Social Security and Medicare, which he had already spelled out he would do in his budget, which he then signed into law a few days later with the biggest cuts in history.
Yep, OK. We need to censure Pelosi.
Trump disrespects Pelosi by not doing the traditional handshake.
Pelosi tears his speech in half after he lies about NOT cutting Social Security and Medicare, which he had already spelled out he would do in his budget, which he then signed into law a few days later with the biggest cuts in history.
Yep, OK. We need to censure Pelosi.
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PFC Ray Aquila
If they are lies why am I, including you, have almost 90% up votes. Anyone, past, present, future, military serviceman/women, Veterans supporting the LIAR N CHIEF will get what they deserve. Orange IMPOTUS lied countless times to military/veterans. Lied to the elderly. Lied to the disable. Lies, after miserable lies.
I don't need to be told about research. I am constantly researching. But, the Orange IMPOTUS' SHEEP ignore the truth. Their ignorance is twofold. If you don't like what I post. Just click delete.
Have a wonderful life.
I don't need to be told about research. I am constantly researching. But, the Orange IMPOTUS' SHEEP ignore the truth. Their ignorance is twofold. If you don't like what I post. Just click delete.
Have a wonderful life.
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1LT John Lisovitch
PO1 Kevin Dougherty - Here's some research re: proposed cuts to safety net programs, the NIH and CDC, as well as Medicare and Medicaid https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/business/president-trump-budget-cuts.html
Trump’s $4.8 Trillion Budget Would Cut Safety Net Programs and Boost Defense
The budget, while largely a messaging document, reflects the administration’s spending priorities’ stark contrast with the president’s Democratic rivals.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
1LT John Lisovitch - Nice strawman, but I'll give a short answer anyway. That one is behind a paywall, but I have taken a long, hard look at the budget. Most of the projected "cuts" are actually anticipated savings related to better enforcement of eligibility requirements, reduce waste, giving the states more discretion, etc. (As a professional in the field, I can tell you there is a ton of fraud and waste, most of which is never corrected.) If the article is like most I have seen, it implies that the budget will "slash" over a trillion dollars from aid programs, and the the military gets well over half the total budget. What they will neglect to mention is the fact that the trillion dollars is over 10 years, and that the programs in question are a part of the non-discretionary spending, which accounts for roughly 2/3rds of the Federal budget.
Do I agree with the budget 100%, no, but neither to I expect it to at all resemble what we have now by the time Congress gets done with it. But then again none of this has anything to do with the original post, does it?
Do I agree with the budget 100%, no, but neither to I expect it to at all resemble what we have now by the time Congress gets done with it. But then again none of this has anything to do with the original post, does it?
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In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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