Posted on May 13, 2015
Specialist Rank, why do we still have it instead of a corporal?
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SGT Anthony Rossi we should keep it as SPC is not a leadership position but CPL is utilized for leadership positions. It is the lower enlisted version of 1SG/MSG and CSM/SGM. Same pay and benefits but different because of the position they are in.
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The specialist ranks are great for reserve/national guard units because they allowed compensation for competency. Many do not qualify or seek the responsibility of leadership but their loyal service and increasing skill deserve to be compensated.
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Get rid of all this confussion and problematic business.Eliminate the specialist rank that doesn't represents anything anymore but confussions and problems, and make the E-4's corporals once and for all.
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Corporal is a positioned rank that should be earned showing the leadership capabilities that you striving to achieve as a sergeant. As for specialist I believe this is a rank that should be earned as well. I get so tired of seeing 4-5 year specialist without a promotable status. Why are you wanting the Army's time and money? I believe that by the time you get to specialist, you are achieving standard to that under an NCO as to if your NCO was to leave you would be able to temporarily fill his shoes. Some Specialist today just just don't understand that and leaders promote just so they won't hit RCP. Honestly I can care less if you hit RCP. If they can't preform I will not recommend them to the board. One of the main problems we have today with leadership is that team leaders and young NCOs, and sometimes even senior leadership as well, want to be their SOldiers friend and have them like them all the time. Next thing you know favoritism kicks in and the SM is wearing strips. Meanwhile this new Sergeant doesn't know the first thing about leadership minus what he/she studied for the board because he/she was never mentored right. Remember select, train, educate, promote: not select-promote.
Overall an E-4 is a pay grade and we should build those nor should we laterally promote SMs just because they been a socialist for so long. We should be focusing on building strong leaders within our formation and promoting excellence with standards and discipline. This is just my opinion.
Overall an E-4 is a pay grade and we should build those nor should we laterally promote SMs just because they been a socialist for so long. We should be focusing on building strong leaders within our formation and promoting excellence with standards and discipline. This is just my opinion.
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Initially the specialists ranks where for like cooks and MP's and anyone not Combat arms related. Well, hard strippers out rank the specialist even though the are the same E grade. So there where a lot of pissing contests.
Now days its because they are afraid of doing a 4187 and doing the lateral transfer of the rank. A 1st Sergeant that I won't name said that the ARMY had done away with the Corporal rank many years back. I was like really then why was I a Corporal in my last unit. He stammered and said that he wouldn't promote anyone to that rank and wouldn't have any in HIS unit and that it was stupid.
I can see having the SPC rank. You are only allowed so many NCO's in the unit. so if all e-4's are cpl's no one will get promoted till Someone gets boarded for e-5.
Now days its because they are afraid of doing a 4187 and doing the lateral transfer of the rank. A 1st Sergeant that I won't name said that the ARMY had done away with the Corporal rank many years back. I was like really then why was I a Corporal in my last unit. He stammered and said that he wouldn't promote anyone to that rank and wouldn't have any in HIS unit and that it was stupid.
I can see having the SPC rank. You are only allowed so many NCO's in the unit. so if all e-4's are cpl's no one will get promoted till Someone gets boarded for e-5.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
I don't understand why we can't make it to were the cpl rank isn't considered to be an NCO. It doesn't have to imply a special meaning just use it because it makes sense as far as the visual effect on the uniform. The spec rank doesn't fit. Just my take.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
Well if CPL doesn't have to be an NCO then take it. All team leaders would have to be either e-4 Specialist or Sgt. That is why their is the difference. to Show that you are the leader and you don't have the other SPC saying they don't have to listen, we are the same rank. I understand it is the position that counts. We have all been there and seen it happen. The stripes over rule all else.
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I like the idea of having technical Mos embrace the Spec ranks, and leaving the chevrons to the combat arms. Yet if we scrap it I am fine with that as well. Just go all the way in either direction.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
The spec rank structure used to be used for those who were true specialists in there Mos. It was for soldiers that were in specialty Mos (commo, medics, mechanics, and so on) and the Sgt ranks structure was reserved for the combat arms.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
well not just combat arms. There where section sergeants that where the same rank and there were fight because they were the same rank but the stripes out rank the Spec.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
SGT Bryon Sergent - Thsnks SGT I didn't know that it's was also used inside of the combat Mos,s.
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