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With the recent amount of stolen valor it is hard to keep up with all the different threads being posted here on RallyPoint. From this point forward if you have a stolen valor question, comment, and or post, then add it here. The posts that currently exist will stay, as we don't want to lose the already existing discussion content. If you have started a stolen valor post prior to this and wish to have it merged to this one then feel free to let me know and I will merge that for you. The initial post will be gone but the discussion content will be merged to this posting.
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If you don't have discharge papers (in the case of veterans) or the citation from your congressman or other designated officials (like officers), you shouldn't wear it. A real vet wouldn't wear that stuff. We may, however, buy ribbons and medals (if lost or (in my case, with my DD214, sealed of course) that we have earned. Most vets would wear apparel that proves their service, fewer still will wear qualification badges on hats (that they have earned, of course). I don't wear any of that stuff on the street, but I keep stuff like that in some place safe where no one can get to until I pass it down or I give instructions otherwise. I will not tolerate posers that claim to be vets and are not, but I have no problem talking with them and telling them what it is really like to be in the service.
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Some do it so they can look cool. There are awards that I have been cheated out of, but I wouldn't wear them because I do believe in protecting the integrity of the award
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SSG William Steele
That I agree with, SGT Thompson. I was deployed to the HOA in support of OEF. orders state it and everything, but the kicker is my unit was the first active duty unit their so the awards EARNED to us wasn't received or provide proper paperwork authorizing the wear of them. IE OEF ribbon, other AFRICOM awards, so since I have no paperwork stating that I am allowed to have them I don't. It is just like I was part of OEF and others ask me about Afghanistan, I never been deployed their so I have to stop them quick, fast, and in a hurry and correct the facts, I was in Africa not Afghanistan.
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How come these D-bags are never wearing, like, a Marine uniform? Navy? Even Air Force? It's always an Army uniform. Are we the easiest to fake or something? Geez.
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SN (Join to see)
I think the concept behind these impersonators' motives is that they want to look highly decorated and "a big deal" for the purpose of attracting attention. I can understand why the Navy and Air Force wouldn't be much of their desire to impersonate because they are mainly combat support and not really on the front lines, unless they impersonate a SEAL or pararescueman. They want to pretend to be someone who's been in the heat of battle and people often associate that with the army or marines and they find it easy to come up with fake stories of saving lives or killing enemies that way.
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Looks like the graduation ceremonies over at the QM AIT schools ;)
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I really like the new silk tie...maybe the military should adopt this?
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WTF?
He also needs to learn how to tie a tie....
He also needs to learn how to tie a tie....
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sir, you mean that doesn't look DA ready??? And I know I always wear my beret indoors.
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SGT Stuart Young
He totally passes as a Soldier besides the beret, tie, sun glasses, facial hair, messed up badges, yea never mind. Stolen valor epic fail. Hit him with fines and a year in prison for impersonating a Soldier. These people really need to start paying for their actions. Its completely disgraceful and a spit in the face to all service members.
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Sadly, I've come across a few people trying to pass themselves off as service members. It isn't hard to figure out it is all a lie. I think everyone here can agree, those of us that serve, we have our own walk, we carry ourselves a certain way and we have our own language.
Normally what I do, is I ask some questions about their calms. Once I create enough holes things play out the way they are supposed to. Normally ends in them walking away looking over their shoulder and using some not so nice words to describe me.
Normally what I do, is I ask some questions about their calms. Once I create enough holes things play out the way they are supposed to. Normally ends in them walking away looking over their shoulder and using some not so nice words to describe me.
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Honestly? Given the number of medals, bangles, badges, stripes and ribbons the average soldier wears, for a non-soldier this one is tough to spot.
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Capt Richard I P.
COL Mike Walton Sir, maybe there is a bit of a disconnect. My point was that the very uniform by how it is designed and proscribed for wear contains more items in more places than the average Marine's, and therefore the absurdity of this faker's choices appear less pronounced to a non-soldier. However, more to the topic you went into in the follow up above: ribbon inflation can be a significant challenge as well, some services handle it better than others and from what you've said some units handle it better also. You might enjoy this other discussion on a related topic:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-some-ribbon-racks-be-over-the-top-or-is-more-always-better
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/can-some-ribbon-racks-be-over-the-top-or-is-more-always-better
Can some ribbon racks be over the top, or is more always better? | RallyPoint
Barksdale just got a new Command Chief for the Bomb Wing a few months ago. I have to say, I have never see a rack this large on a non-AFSOC type guy and even then, I think he has them topped. My first reaction was "holy ribbon rack batman!!"
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COL Mike Walton
Captain Porter: the first response got chopped up. I get it that our Marine Corps uniform is not "populated" like an Army (or any other services') uniform. The insignia serves a purpose and is worn in a particular manner and is why so many of us can "spot a fake two clicks away".
My earlier posting recommended what others have stated earlier: instead of letting the judicial system handle these instances, the services should just round these fellas and ladies up and give them five working days to verify their service -- we'll pay them for their time -- and a third-party to verify what things they say they did but which there exists "no definitive proof." After that period, they are sent to Fort Bragg or Quantico, given a five day "refresher" and equipment issue, and off they go to one of our world's hot spots! No lawyer -- "what, you're wearing the uniform. Got a Silver Star and a DSC...jump wings...surely you remember how to jump out of a perfectly good airplane... What do you need a lawyer for?"
We let them "Do or Die." Like a lot of those "PX Rangers", "eBay Special Forces" and "Army-Navy SEALS" want, we don't even acknowledge that they have left the country. After all...isn't that what those guys and gals say to those they meet: "Oh...I had to leave the country...secret mission...you know...national security..."
I guarantee that after we send the first goobals over there, that we'll have a lot less of 'em wanting to dress up "like heroes" because the word will be out: you either are or you're aint.
My earlier posting recommended what others have stated earlier: instead of letting the judicial system handle these instances, the services should just round these fellas and ladies up and give them five working days to verify their service -- we'll pay them for their time -- and a third-party to verify what things they say they did but which there exists "no definitive proof." After that period, they are sent to Fort Bragg or Quantico, given a five day "refresher" and equipment issue, and off they go to one of our world's hot spots! No lawyer -- "what, you're wearing the uniform. Got a Silver Star and a DSC...jump wings...surely you remember how to jump out of a perfectly good airplane... What do you need a lawyer for?"
We let them "Do or Die." Like a lot of those "PX Rangers", "eBay Special Forces" and "Army-Navy SEALS" want, we don't even acknowledge that they have left the country. After all...isn't that what those guys and gals say to those they meet: "Oh...I had to leave the country...secret mission...you know...national security..."
I guarantee that after we send the first goobals over there, that we'll have a lot less of 'em wanting to dress up "like heroes" because the word will be out: you either are or you're aint.
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Capt Richard I P.
COL Mike Walton Sir, that might make for a pretty good movie, It could star Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn, or maybe be a sequel for those guys doing the upcoming movie "lets be cops".
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Capt Richard I P.
Not sure who merged this and another topic, but several comment threads no longer make sense. Mine certainly don't since it was about the army class "A"s on one particular faker, not the cammies this one is wearing.
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