Posted on Feb 8, 2014
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The suicide rate amongst Soldiers and veterans has been high for the past 10 years. The Army has tried to address this issue with a plethora of programs, acronyms and power point presentations. Unfortunately we continue to fall short. What are your feelings in regards to what the Army has done, is doing and what can they do better? Why is this subject still taboo and why is it stigmatized? How can we change the culture?


 


My personal opinion is as follows: The Army is a microcosm of society. 9 Weeks of Basic Training will not and cannot alter a lifetime of bad living/life experiences. Suicide is a selfish act. Soldiers believe they are a part of a caste system. They believe they fall into the "warrior caste". This fact is perpetuated due to the fact that only.5% of the U.S. population serves. That however, does not negate our role in society; which is to "serve the people of the United States". At no time should the servant feel superior to the people they serve. If that is the case tyranny ensues. To prevent this the head of the military is a civilian. The President, The secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Army. Soldiers have such a skewed sense of entitlement. They expect society to embrace them, give them handouts, and support them when they transition out. While these are honorable acts of gratitude Soldiers need to understand that as volunteers the civilian populous owes them nothing. 


 


The reason the unemployment rate is high amongst vets is because we have this belief that since we were a leader in the Army we have to come into a civilian job at management level. Would the military let a CEO of a fortune 500 company join the military as a general based solely off the fact that he’s led large organizations in the past. The answer is no; there are other factors to consider and he will have to work his way up just like everyone else.


 


I believe the military should emphasize expectation management. It is better to be surprised than disappointed. If you set your expectations about life in general and the military in particular at a reasonable level you will rarely be disappointed. Resilience is key. Soldiers need to know and understand that nothing is ever as bad as it seems, and that as long as you have life you have hope. We have contingency plans for everything we do in the military. Why don’t we have a contingency plan for life? We have to alter our Soldiers adrenaline fueled, you only live once(YOLO) train of thought. And get them to think long and hard about the future I believe things will change. Because once all of the money is blown, the booze is gone and the women/men don’t want to deal with them because of their erratic lifestyle what are  they left with? They are left hopeless and desolate. At that point they hit rock bottom and do the unthinkable. The key is to prevent them from hitting rock bottom by emphasizing preparation for the future. If you invest in yourself, you value yourself and are less likely to hurt yourself. We all know the motto “Work hard, play hard.” We need to include with that “prepare hard, save hard.”  Everything should be done in moderation. 


 


Many of our Soldiers to include myself have experienced multiple deployments and have experienced/ witnessed tragic events during these deployments. We are trained to engage and destroy our enemies in close combat and at times pay the ultimate sacrifice in defense of this nation and its way of life. We have experienced events that our brains have to process and the end result is a reaction to the events that draw the ire of those who cannot relate. To combat this the military hires a bunch of Ph Ds and mental health experts. These people have no actual real world experience and try to relate Soldiers from studies and opinions in books. They then realize they aren't getting through to the Soldiers and burn out. The Army has rolled a million campaigns to help Soldiers, from hot-lines, to ACE cards to name a few. Why hasn't the Army created a contest seeking input from Soldiers on methods to help prevent suicide. If we took a bottom up approach instead of top down I think that our effectiveness on our Soldiers and veterans would increase exponentially. It comes down to resilience, understanding, support, intervention and eliminating the a culture that stigmatizes anyone reaching out for help. If Soldiers were flexible and adaptable mentally, prepare financially and emotionally I believe the suicide problem would diminish.


 


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SPC Christopher Smith
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Let me share something with you all, so you will understand my answer for this question. I was suicidial, I still have the scar from when I tried taking my own life at a younger age. Does this make me high risk in the eyes of the Army and some health providors sure. I know when I need help and when my depression is spiraling out of control now.

All that said, whoever is making the Suicide training is not getting information from people like me, people like me can tell you the training is ineffective, and mostly not helpful to help identify when someone is in trouble.

I believe the training is check in the box, it seems the highers are more concerned that the public might want to get in their business a little more and find out why so many men and women are committing suicide now.

How do we fix this? There is no band-aid or blanket to fix the issue. The more pressure you place and more personal space you take away from some people the more you push them to that edge. Others need to be brought into a circle and feel like they have a safe haven.

To say suicide is selfish is not helping anyone who might be looking for away for help. My mindset just like so many others, was with me gone as a burden those around me will be better off. Some do it for selfish reasons, but many times you don't share that persons pains and burdens to make that judgement. That is one place to start, stop isolating and beating down someone who is already drowning.

As far as the MRT mindset that seems to be guiding this question. MRT is great but flawed, if you are going through the process with only yourself, it is easy to "trap" yourself even further and verigy your original stance. Logical thinking, emotions, and/or any type of mind altering product do not mix well. Not saying drugs of any sort are always involved but the first two are.

If anyone wants to talk more about this subject I'd be happy to give you my number through private message (PM).
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I find it interesting that you revive this topic, especially after the recent wave of 6 higher ranking members (Officers, CSM, NCOs) at Ft. Bliss. 3 in one weekend. I can tell you that those I know that ended their lives, were in the same boat. They felt they were a burden. I do feel that the training is necessary, if even to know how to help someone that is down. Too many times, the Soldier is punished for how they are feeling. I don't want to go there, but look at what happened at Ft. Hood. Do you honestly not think that had that Soldier been received differently that that whole situation could have been avoided? What good is tearing down a Soldier that is already down?

Thank you SPC Smith for sharing your story and breathing new life into this topic.

LCpl Wininger, I know the torture of isolation all too well. I am also available should you ever need someone, as well. (SPC Smith is pretty cool, too. Who do you think keeps me sane?)
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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Thank you SGT Mickles and SPC Smith, these days a little sanity, and support, goes a long way.
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SPC Christopher Smith
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If we don't support each other in time of need at home, what makes us think we can protect each other down range? Like we have said, SGT Mickles and myself are here for you.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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Again, I want to thank both of you, and I also want to extend the same offer, I am here if either of you need to talk, a shoulder to cry on, or an ear to vent to.
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SFC Flood,

I think we need to do these types of stand downs. If you effect one soldier to get help and save life the training is worth it.

V/R

1SG Haro
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1sg, I agree. But we have more than one Soldier who isn't being helped and that is the travesty. I personally know 3 Soldiers and two veterans who have taken their own life in the last 5 years. Everybody is somebody to someone. That is someone's brother/sister/nephew/uncle/aunt/niece/husband/mother/father. Lost.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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SFC Terry, I think your final analysis sums it up. I think a bottom up approach would be beneficial, I also think that many do not tell others for fear of the consequences. However, I respectfully disagree with some of your opinion. Although we are, or have been a part of a military family, each one of us are individual in the way we process our surroundings. I have always considered myself emotionally and mentally stable, but recently found I had a breaking point. We all have it, some more, some less.

In my personal opinion the military should focus on educating and identifying. When I served in the eighties the military had a don't ask, don't tell policy towards gays in the military. This protected them from persecution and a certain discharge. That policy was recently abandoned. It seems to me, that the military has the same mentality towards those that do struggle with emotional issues. Part of the problem is culture. Most people do not want to be looked down on by their peers, so they keep quiet. This is where education and support can play a significant role in prevention. Once people realize they can speak without persecution, then they are more likely to seek help from the first line of defense, which is their friends and peers.

Next solution, is if they admit to their command they have a problem, there should be no repercussions, either by rule or prejudice. Friends can only help so much, when a person needs professional help then they should have access to it without any fear of retribution. When I served, a Marine could admit they have a drug problem and get help without fear of being kicked out. The military probably spends billions on rehabilitation for alcoholics and drug addictions so the service member can be a productive member of the unit. Why not offer the same level of help to those who are struggling mentally?

There is more that can be done, but the military leadership has to change its mentality.
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SPC Christopher Smith
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I agree, there are certain positions abs jobs in the military where any mental issue could end your career in that field. We need a way that those who need help get it, without fear that their going to be removed from their position because they were strong enough to identify that they needed help temporarily.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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Well said Chris. unfortunately those that refuse to seek help because of fear of consequences are not discovered until it is too late. It makes one wonder how many are still out there who are in need but facing the same fear factor?
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