Posted on Dec 10, 2019
The army still asking civilian employers for reference?
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I swore into the army on November 27. A past employer of mine said they recieved 2 forms from the military for my employment history yesterday, nearly 3 weeks after swearing in. I'm curious why they just now do this? The reference was good, but like would they change their mind now if otherwise?
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The reference is for your security clearance. Even though your MOS does not require a clearance, most people get put in for a secret clearance anyway.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
I don't think they're doing that anymore. I just saw a HQDA memo come out a couple months ago that the Army is going to go through and find out who actually needs a clearance and who doesn't because there are a lot of people who have one who don't need it. Example someone needs SCI access and gets a TS for a job but then leave that job and don't need it - but keep the TS clearance.
I know when I was BN S2 in 05-09 there was a point I would get brand new privates in process with a Secret or a closed NACLC. They were handing out Secret clearances for a while. But it seems they're putting a hold on that since it costs a lot of money.
I know when I was BN S2 in 05-09 there was a point I would get brand new privates in process with a Secret or a closed NACLC. They were handing out Secret clearances for a while. But it seems they're putting a hold on that since it costs a lot of money.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff I know what memo you're talking about and that was for the TS/SCI clearances. They found 25% of TS clearances were unnecessary.
As far as I've seen from my brand new incoming Soldiers most of them are still receiving Secret clearances
As far as I've seen from my brand new incoming Soldiers most of them are still receiving Secret clearances
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SFC (Join to see) - When someone else read it at a meeting it mentioned secret clearances too.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff I definitely missed that part, that's going to reclass very interesting in the future
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My take is a bit different. First, people don't get clearances just to get clearances. There're billet requirements for it or not. The little known thing that frequently applies is the ABILITY to obtain a clearance. Let's say you swore in or hired on with the Feds as a Civil Servant. Many MOS and Civilian Series/Positions require the ability up front. Some positions or career paths have a deal where a clearance will be required at some point, the process takes 9 months at least, so there are some cases where a jump start is required prior to the billet actually being occupied (Strategic Assets for sure is one of them). We terminated both MIL and Civil Service employees who refused to provide information or got stung during the background investigation. Purely an administrative action. The Services are beat up frequently for spreading clearances around like EOT fruit salad. Each Service must justify the requirement by billet. That gets reviewed/challenged at DoD level. You don't want to be the Skipper that has sponsored clearances that are not required. The IGs I've had frequently had the security stuff as a "concentration area". That's codespeak for if we find one problem, you're in Deep Kimchi. I made sure to not fudge anything during my watch. I've seen a couple cases of early exits over it. Doesn't happen frequently, but it does.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
Actually when I was a BN S2 - I had privates coming in with Secret or a NACLC and that was a combat engineer battalion - and privates who are combat EN don't need a clearance for their job. So at a point in 05-09 they were just doing NACLC for a Secret for everyone it seemed.
They aren't doing that anymore and there was a memo sent out the Army is going to clean house on those who have a clearance and don't need it. So if he didn't do a SF86 I'm not sure why that employer got paperwork about him.
They aren't doing that anymore and there was a memo sent out the Army is going to clean house on those who have a clearance and don't need it. So if he didn't do a SF86 I'm not sure why that employer got paperwork about him.
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It's for the security clearance. I swore into the Navy two months ago and they also asked for my job information and personal references.
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
But if he doesn't require a clearance they don't just do the SF86 anymore for shits and giggles.
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I know the Navy requires you to be eligible for a Secret now or they separate you now. That’s what my recruiter told me. Even for a rate like CS you need a clearance now. I’m not sure about the other branches though. SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
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