Posted on Aug 31, 2016
COL Lee Flemming
8.47K
54
25
12
12
0
53db3640
Lots of cash going into our service member and veteran accounts today. Is this the day that you start saving? As you can see above you are not behind. Today is just as good of a day to start than any!!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06
Edited >1 y ago
Avatar feed
Responses: 10
SPC Erich Guenther
3
3
0
Well to be honest, it's good your encouraging this. Sad to say that I never saved a penny towards retirement until I was 37-38 but because I have a well paying and in demand civilian job I am doing great with retirement savings and should be able to retire at a normal age (so in some cases it is not completely hopeless if you start at a later age). I learned most of my investing managing my Mothers portfolio after my Father died. Luckily she had a significant financial cushion so the damage done via learning was repairable. Have not read David Ramsey's stuff but I know that he has good intent. I wish I could teach a course or type out more that I have learned but I think the Moderators here will cut me off as most websites do not like discussions on investing that get too deep or technical.
(3)
Comment
(0)
MSgt John McGowan
MSgt John McGowan
>1 y
SPC You said you managed your Mother's portfolio after you Dad passed. I had to do the same thing with my Mother. She still had funds when she pased and I took care of her finances for 18 years. In fact I had to take over all her business for about 8 years. There is a learning cruve but I also applied it to my saving plan. It worked out well for both of us.
(2)
Reply
(0)
SPC Erich Guenther
SPC Erich Guenther
>1 y
Yes, Father passed in 2005, My mother placed all her trust in a Financial Advisor that was a friend of the Family. She did well investing during good times but then 2008 hit and she just sat there silently until more than 50% of the portfolio was lost, she finally called me after she found out my Mother was stuffing unopened brokerage statements in her dresser and praying over them. I asked her what took her so long to notify someone else in the family and she stated "Well I was waiting on someone to call me with direction"......unbelieveable because she had no past direction during good times. So I had to fire her, initially she tried to end run me around my Mother stating I was after her money.........which really pizzed me off. So I directed my Mother to her lawyer to ask her lawyer if I could even touch her money without her permission. Turns out my Mother was her largest account and I sent her out of business by pulling the accounts. Anyways, we are at the 2/3 point of rebuilding the original capital amount and it is still growing while she is able to pull out a nice amount to live on a year. So I am happy again. Been through several bozo financial advisors since then, each I set a annual target ROI of 6-7% for and as soon as they missed it, fired them and moved on to the next. Current Financial Advisor is smarter than al the rest and uses programmed training like it should be used instead of buying at market prices. Interestingly enough the current financial advisor does not have all the certifications the other bozos did but he knows what he is doing, doesn't try to sell me crap.....and that is all I wanted.

It is sad about Parents aging they get more dependent on you as a kid but you cannot get complete control of their finances unless you get them declared legally incompetent. Even a Financial Power of Attorney.....which I have, still requires me to get her approval on major financial decisions and the financial firm or advisor always has to conference her in on the phone and hear her approve what I am doing. Major pain in the azz.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SPC Erich Guenther
SPC Erich Guenther
>1 y
One more thing, we are both Catholic. I was visiting with her once and we both went to church together. The clergy were really friendly with her and talking about past events they attended together and going out to dinner and such. I thought.....this is kind of strange my pastor at my church in Texas does not treat me this way. Found out she wrote them a check for over $xx,000 for a crucifix which the church really did not need. In her mind it was a down payment on the buy your way to heaven program. So I had a sit down with her. Explained to her while she is living.....no more large withdrawls like that. She can give all her money to the Church via her will and that's fine with me but she needs it while she is alive to live on. So that was the end of that. I have her accounts setup electronically so I can login and spot any large withdrawls now via the Internet. She has been fairly good so far (it's her money so I can't dog her over it only make sure she does not get carried away).
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
MSG Wade Huffman
3
3
0
While these statistics are staggering, I'm not surprised. Most (and I'll include myself here) understand the importance of starting early, but when young, you believe there will always be more time. The power of compound interest over time can not be underestimated!
(3)
Comment
(0)
MSgt John McGowan
MSgt John McGowan
>1 y
MSG The compound interest works well on any saving account if you leave it alone. I retired from my second job when I was 58. Way early to draw on my 401k from my company. When I turned the age to draw they had extended drawing on it by a year, So it was about 14 years my account just set. It doubled in those 14 years. My only problem the company didn't start it early enough for me. Many young people do not seee the value of something like a 401k and you just can't tell them. If there is free money (matching funds) they should a least sign up for that much.
(2)
Reply
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
MSG Wade Huffman definitely not surprised. I think we all have the relative or close sibling that asks for a couple hundred bucks to hold them over until payday!
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
Col Joseph Lenertz
2
2
0
COL Lee Flemming Great point! Living with less is something we can learn from those 80+ year olds who can remember the Great Depression. If you can control costs, debt goes away and saving becomes easy. No one needs an I-phone 7 or a Ferrari. I have a flip phone and a Ford.
(2)
Comment
(0)
MSgt John McGowan
MSgt John McGowan
>1 y
Col Lenertz. Sir. I am beginning to believe the world does live on smartphones. You ever notice just how many people play with their phones. They don't talk anymore, they play with phones.
(2)
Reply
(0)
MSG Wade Huffman
MSG Wade Huffman
>1 y
MSgt John McGowan - Absolutely! There is no reason to contribute no less that the amount that the company will match, otherwise it's throwing away free money! For those that think they can't afford that amount, consider the tax advantage of the pre-tax contribution and you'll see there is not that big of a difference in the actual take home pay (in most cases anyway).
(3)
Reply
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
Col Joseph Lenertz absolutely concur with everything (except the flip phone) :)! I honestly think we are years away or maybe in the midst of another crisis.
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
Avatar feed
The average American has less than $1000 in their savings account --- 62%. Is this the epitome of living on the edge?
Maj Marty Hogan
2
2
0
(2)
Comment
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
Don't we all! Thanks for the link Marty!
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
SFC(P) Parachute Rigger
2
2
0
You're right Sir not enough young Soldiers saving for their retirement! I put $500 per check away and haven't touched it in 10 years! Also, soon they will have no choice but to save with the traditional retirement going away and swapping to a blended 401k system!
(2)
Comment
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
Great points SFC(P) (Join to see)!! We may not be able to do as much as $500, but we have to do something!
(1)
Reply
(0)
SFC(P) Parachute Rigger
SFC(P) (Join to see)
>1 y
COL Lee Flemming - That is very true something is always better than nothing at all! Thanks Sir for the vote and response!
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
TSgt Joe C.
2
2
0
Today is a good day to start! I'm saving little by little COL Lee Flemming
(2)
Comment
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
You are absolutely right. $10 or $20 per pay period starting today could make all the difference in an emergency 5 years from now!!
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
LTJG Jftoc Watch Officer
1
1
0
I'm "technically" a millennial, enough though it's odd to say that for anyone born between 1982 and today.. Bit I digress. I started saving when I was 21 (when I joined the Navy). Today, at 24 years old, I have more than $20,000 in Roth TSP. 45% of my base pay goes directly into TSP - which just about maxes my contribution amount out. At the moment, I only put $100 a month into savings, because I am working my way out of stupid debt. Once I am above water, a lot more will go into Savings. I use an American Express Card for just about everything (card card - not credit, so I have to be responsible). The rewards I reap from this card alone allows me to travel home every year for pennies. I'm flying my wife and myself from Honolulu to NY for $200 (after points were applied). According to the TSP calculator, I will have anywhere from $3M - $18M in my account by the time I withdraw depending on several factors of course. Hopefully, we are allowed to contribute more, because though that kind of money goes pretty far today, there's no telling what that will be 50 years from now. $3M might be the average income for the middle class. *shrugs* Bottom line, don't vote for Hillary. ;)
(1)
Comment
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
LTJG (Join to see) lol, how is it that no matter what I put on RP eventually it devolves into a political discussion :)!?
(0)
Reply
(0)
LTJG Jftoc Watch Officer
LTJG (Join to see)
>1 y
COL Lee Flemming that last tid-bit was just a poke. It does seem like many discussions eventually do lead to political ones!
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
PV2 Glen Lewis
1
1
0
Edited >1 y ago
I've just done away with everything but food, clothing and shelter; the basic needs. I have a few wants like the very basic TV and Internet. At the insistence of my family I do have a cell phone but it is on one of my sisters family plans. I am not a big fan of them as I find many people who have them don't answer them even though they may have them within arms reach. My expenses total less than $1000 dollars a month and I've found I can live securely on that. I save about $40 a month religiously and so far that has handled any emergencies I've run into over the last 20+ years.
(1)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
Maj Pilot UH-l Qualified
1
1
0
Some servicemembers are "lucky" that someone introduced them to some of these concepts earlier in life. It has been my experience that many of our young enlisted don't know about compound interest. As more senior leaders, we should teach them.....yes, I'm sure I read about that somewhere. The "Rule of 72" 72/return on investment= Number of years until fund doubles in size. 72/"8%"= 9 years.
A few weeks after I give my class to the E-2 through E-5s, I have them pull up their service account (MarineOnLine) and show me their contribution to the TSP on a Friday afternoon. If it says 5% or they say they invest somewhere else, I tell them to enjoy their weekend. If it says 0%, I have some more work that needs to be done.
(1)
Comment
(0)
COL Lee Flemming
COL Lee Flemming
>1 y
Maj (Join to see) lol, I am not sure about the MarineOnLine technique, but it sounds like your team is receptive to the management concept. Good on you for caring as much as you do!!
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
MSgt John McGowan
0
0
0
PO1 George. Man I do hope you are wrong. My nest egg is good now but I m getting little long in the tooth. I just look at my Grandchildren and wonder what they will face.
(0)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close