Posted on Jun 13, 2014
The ISIS says they are marching on Baghdad next. Should we go back to Iraq?
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If the ISI takes Baghdad, does it make the entire war in vain?
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/andrea-mitchell-iraq-asks-us-help-quell-militant-uprising-n129086
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/andrea-mitchell-iraq-asks-us-help-quell-militant-uprising-n129086
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I sort of feel like LBJ did about Vietnam or at least what you said about American boys fighting a war that Asian boys should be fighting. I am all for supporting a free Iraq however, sending several thousand American men and women over there to do what should have been done right would holding them responsible so to speak, us, and the American people for a decision to pull out troops which was more based on a political agenda, not a strategic one which is disappointing to say the least.
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Let the people of iraq deal with it. We can help the iraqi military in some of or another but no ground troops.
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We can't keep invading sovereign nations due to some ill-founded belief that we are the world's police. This is an internal issue for Iraq to deal with. If we can't let them handle this, what makes anyone think they'll be capable of standing on their own afterwards. They have to learn to take care of themselves, and this is the moment for that to happen. They've even said that they don't need or want American forces (at least one general did, the one responsible for the relatively recent pushbacks). If they request international assistance, then we, as a part of NATO, or the UN, should do our "small" part in assisting within that limited capacity.
We always talk about how much of a deficit are nation has. Well, trying to police the world sure as hell isn't helping with that, and is likely one of the biggest causes/contributors.
We always talk about how much of a deficit are nation has. Well, trying to police the world sure as hell isn't helping with that, and is likely one of the biggest causes/contributors.
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I think it is really time the gloves come off. We have B-52 and B-1 Bombers that can be used to drop dumb bombs on Isis. If they want a war, give them one. End it as it starts. Bomb every city, territory, and province they control until nothing remains. I do not think that the United States should enter into an extended ground war with Isis. The United States would be hindered by things such as Geneva Convention that Isis would not be hindered by. You cannot engage an enemy in their territory with two sets of rules both of which benefit that enemy. If you are going to engage, at least play by the same rules.
They have shown that they have no regard for human life. You cannot combat this with being touchy feely with the rules of engagement. It needs to be broken down into simple terms.
1) Isis does not care whether they kill civilians
2) Isis has shown that they do not care about human life
3) Isis is not a recognized national government
4) Isis is becoming more and more brazen as time passes
5) People in the areas they control are not trying to escape from Isis
When it comes to this group, I do not care about the sanctity of life. They are a tumor to be removed by any means available. If that makes me an asshole, it is not the first time I have been the asshole.
They have shown that they have no regard for human life. You cannot combat this with being touchy feely with the rules of engagement. It needs to be broken down into simple terms.
1) Isis does not care whether they kill civilians
2) Isis has shown that they do not care about human life
3) Isis is not a recognized national government
4) Isis is becoming more and more brazen as time passes
5) People in the areas they control are not trying to escape from Isis
When it comes to this group, I do not care about the sanctity of life. They are a tumor to be removed by any means available. If that makes me an asshole, it is not the first time I have been the asshole.
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Damned if we do and damned if we don't. There is no right answer here because if we return we are putting more lives at risk for direct action combat. If we don't return we are running the risk of ISIS spreading even further. We already know that the Iraqi Armed forces we tried to train, for the most part, are not serious about engaging the enemy. Yes there are some in their Armed forces who want to fight the enemy but overall they don't have a desire to defend their own country, or so it seems, I could be wrong. I think overall we are screwed for the long run and no matter what promises are made about pulling out or reducing forces we will have to maintain a military presence for many years to come.
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I have a bad taste in my mouth from our last two interventions in Iraqi history and think that we haven't learned a thing about Islam and its tenets that keep these two major factions fighting among themselves.
We should not be in the business of Nation building and we should stick to the mission plan and then get out and let the Iraqi sort our their problems.
Yet, I cannot see letting ISIS or ISIL keeping the territory it has obtained and declaring a Caliphate so they can muster more followers to disrupt the middle east. Without a Caliphate the Islamic State is without Authority. So, the territory lost has to be recaptures by stable governments in Syria and Iraq. This at present is a lost cause. If we do commit we need to win it with ground troops once again and definitely know that air power alone will not win the war in Iraq or Syria.
We should not be in the business of Nation building and we should stick to the mission plan and then get out and let the Iraqi sort our their problems.
Yet, I cannot see letting ISIS or ISIL keeping the territory it has obtained and declaring a Caliphate so they can muster more followers to disrupt the middle east. Without a Caliphate the Islamic State is without Authority. So, the territory lost has to be recaptures by stable governments in Syria and Iraq. This at present is a lost cause. If we do commit we need to win it with ground troops once again and definitely know that air power alone will not win the war in Iraq or Syria.
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ISIS putting out Self Aggrandizing Propaganda. Considering Iran's interest Religious/Political if they push their luck too much and Iran decides to go full in on the side of the Government of Iraq, ISIS is toast. Just Recruiting Propaganda for Muslims in the West to join them.
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