Posted on Jul 24, 2015
The North Carolina National Guard approach. Would you rather have an MP instead of arming a recruiter as an option?
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The North Carolina took a different approach with the security of their recruiting stations. Instead of arming their recruiters they sent armed Military Police soldiers instead. I am not trying to be bias but I think this is the best means of securing a recruiting station. They are already trained in Law Enforcement Operations and escalation of force. They are the most qualified soldier that could accomplish this mission by far. Most of the recruiters that are serving in various offices may not be well trained in small arms. We found this out with the Navy Recruiter shooting him while handling his personal weapon.
Benefits of having an armed National Guard Soldier is that they can be sworn by the jurisdiction which they are in with a mutual aid agreement. It would give them additional abilities to deal with civilians. This could only happen with National Guard Troops. I don't believe that Federal Troops could do this due to their Federal status.
But at the location in the Cary Towne Mall there is also other military recruiting offices near by. Could this be a detail that the National Guard could pick up to provide security for these offices nation wide. I don't know if a National Guard that doesn't have MPs or a training area for them. In some states, like Vermont, you don't have much a military presence at all. But even there they have MPs. Would this be a good option and an addition mission for the Guard.
Benefits of having an armed National Guard Soldier is that they can be sworn by the jurisdiction which they are in with a mutual aid agreement. It would give them additional abilities to deal with civilians. This could only happen with National Guard Troops. I don't believe that Federal Troops could do this due to their Federal status.
But at the location in the Cary Towne Mall there is also other military recruiting offices near by. Could this be a detail that the National Guard could pick up to provide security for these offices nation wide. I don't know if a National Guard that doesn't have MPs or a training area for them. In some states, like Vermont, you don't have much a military presence at all. But even there they have MPs. Would this be a good option and an addition mission for the Guard.
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Edited 10 y ago
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I am fine with this approach but I do trust Marine NCO's and Staff NCO's with firearms, escalation of force and the ability to effectively and safely use their weapon if necessary. I don't think we have to have a single approach for all locations. This works well for many I am sure.
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Nope... Sucks for disabled vets like myself and the other 3000+ in my near vicinity to come armed and do my civilian duties. Just because I have my discharge papers, doesn't mean in don't protecting my country from ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC
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How are soldiers, sailors and airmen not considered proficient in handling small arms, but passed initial training and are considered combat ready. It's proposterous to think that we are openly admitting our military service members can't handle firearms. DUH!
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Well, when was the last time you qualified with an M9? I did it one back in 2000. So you could say I am not proficient in an M9. I am far more proficient in a M4. It is really to do with being more proficient with their assigned weapon. That is why you saw Soldiers with their M4 in various locations in the US after 9/11 with their M4s. They weren't proficient enough with M9s. In addition to all of this they are also law enforcement officers. They offer additional benefits such as being certified on pepper spray and tasers.
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I'll agree with what you're saying, sir. My personal opinion is that the MP option is probably not feasible in the long term though.
My point is meant to be that it is a shame that we have allowed ourselves to slip to this lack of readiness. If I was Chief of Staff, or SMA for that matter, I hope that I would work to prioritize weapons proficiency training and the like alongside mandatory, but perhaps not so directly combat-related training events such as Accident Avoidance and ACE.
My point is meant to be that it is a shame that we have allowed ourselves to slip to this lack of readiness. If I was Chief of Staff, or SMA for that matter, I hope that I would work to prioritize weapons proficiency training and the like alongside mandatory, but perhaps not so directly combat-related training events such as Accident Avoidance and ACE.
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Of the two, I'm prefer an MP...but do we have enough to station them at every recruiting station and still man their own bases?
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This is an ideal solution, IMO. They are trained in use of force and procedures for dealing with a "target + civilians" situation, whereas there is no guarantee that a Recruiter will know these things.
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There are plenty of reserve security forces, provide them additional active duty and extra drills. they are trained and willing to support / protect the rest of our forces.
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MPs not a bad idea idea, but as a taxpayer, Im concerned about the personnel costs to provide on at all the thousands of recruiting stations across the county. it would be much less expensive to arm the recruiter. Also another disadvantage of MP is it might b intimidating for a prospect. If the recruiter is armed, not only would it be less intimidating, prospects might as about it just as if there were visiting a static display with weapons at a public event.
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The way I seen it that the MP is a real life display of how the National Guard plays a roll in the community. It is a Guardsmen defending the citizens and soldiers at home. That is priceless.
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Good idea but would they be guarding just NG recruiting offices or All recruiting offices regardless of branch?
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They are guarding just the NCNG offices. If they happen to be near by I think they would stop by but at the moment they are other assigned to their own state recruiting stations.
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I would say just national guard, but in areas where they are clustered together like in malls for example. No servicemembers would leave his allies screwed 10 feet away from his station. The effective range of most semi auto rifles is 300- 500 meters and most handguns is 50 meters. Therefore if they are close enough to attack another center they are a valid target/threat covered under their orders to detain or neutralize.
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