Posted on Mar 6, 2014
SFC Seth King
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Leaders,

I conducted a barracks inspection today. One of my Soldiers, not white, had a modified rebel flag hanging in his room. On it was an eagle and written "these colors don't run".
While common sense to some says this probably shouldn't be there, is there anything that specifically says yes or no. AR 600-15, para 2-4 says a commander can have certain flags and etc removed to maintain good order and discipline.
Who or what determines that this is a violation. What may be offensive to some may not be to others, religion, heritage, etc. Your thoughts?
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SPC Christopher Smith
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I have a "Rebel" flag tattooed upon my right shoulder. I know the history and meaning of my flag. Although history was written by the victor, the South has a strong and proud history. If someone has an issue with a symbol that is a strong part of our cultural and military history they should crack open a book.
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SPC Daniel Dresen
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SFC (Join to see) I'm afraid your lesson would fall on deaf ears. Southerners hate truth. They prefer "beliefs" and "feelings" but only if it's their own. Lived in that shithole state for most of my childhood and knew too much for my own good.
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SSgt Tom Neven
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Maj Rob Drury - Simply wrong. As I said, the Confederate VP, Alexander Stephens, in his Cornerstone Speech, stated explicitly that the war started over slavery. The Articles of Secession of several of the southern states state explicitly that their actions are to defend slavery and the notion that the black man is an inferior human being. As for states rights, you have it backwards. The South was AGAINST states rights, complaining (some in their very Articles of Secession) that northern states such as NY were refusing to enforce fugitive slave laws, citing states rights in doing so. You should read a book or two.
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SPC Cory Thomson
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No that’s exactly what it is/was. It’s the flag of the loser rebellion against our country, they wanted to have and keep slaves, to make any other argument is asinine and moot, you wouldn’t expect to fly a Nazi flag, nor should you. We don’t fly the British flag either, regardless of the fact that we used to be a part of them. You want to own a flag of a failed rebellion, you are free to do so, you are however not entitled to display it on the government walls or fly it on a flagpole. It’s disrespectful to those men who died fighting for OUR country and the people who would have been relegated to slavery if we had lost. All other thoughts, beliefs, notions, ideas, and feelings are forever irrelevant and irrevocable.
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PO1 Don Uhrig
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If you cleared MEPS with a particular tattoo, and it's in your medical file, then no one can have an argument with it. It was acceptable at the time you joined the military, the person with the problem needs to get over it.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Just a few thoughts. First of all, Sgt Newman is correct, and SSG Woods makes the salient point that the American flag has some stains of the same color on it as well.

Secondly, what should be done if a soldier of Japanese descent displayed a Japanese flag in their room. After all we fought a war with the (then) racist Japanese as well. I can't tell you how many times I have seen Puerto Rican flags hanging in barracks rooms as well. Where should the line be drawn? How do the French feel about a Cinco de Mayo celebration when it celebrates the defeat of their forces?

The point is, the things that can potentially offend someone are legion. It is important to note that inanimate objects are not, of, and in, themselves "offensive". To be offensive, someone has to CHOOSE to be offended.

I understand I'm not citing any regulations so I'm not answering the original question, and I DO believe that the line has to be drawn.... I would draw that line closer to the Nazi flag than to the flag known as the Stars and Bars, or which Sgt Newman accurately pointed out, is known as the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.
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SPC Matt Ovaska
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Finally someone with wisdom. Thank you!
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SSG Gerhard S.
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SFC (Join to see) thank you for sharing.
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SrA Cecelia Eareckson
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SFC (Join to see) - "...FLOWN IN PUBLIC..." [Capitals mine.]
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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The Confederate flag offends some because of what it represents. Ok that's fair.

Let's not forget the reprehensible and atrocious things that happened in this country under the USA flag (child labor, Japanese concentration camps, segregation).

I'm just pointing out there is a much larger picture here.
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SPC Matt Ovaska
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I'm sorry, you worked in a textile mill for 16 hrs. a day. Those mills are very noisy. At 9 yrs old, you couldn't possibly reach the spools...
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
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SP5 Wick Humble - You are probably right, when the illegal immigrants brought their children with them or sent them here alone, we should just have, I don't know, locked up the parents and left the kids out on the street? I am sure there would be a line of people looking to take them home and use them, much like the Cartels do now. And there is always a demand for child sex workers, so you keep on blowing that horn.
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SP5 Wick Humble
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Stiv: sarcasm don't solve the problem.
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PO3 Robert Cassidy
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SP5 Wick Humble - It is not sarcasm, it is reality. Joining the military services and taking the oath makes me think you probably have ideals that you are willing to fight and die for. We should all stand in unity for those ideals, like the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The evil happening in the United States, like child sex workers, should be fought just as vigorously as we fought Nazis. People like Epstein are a domestic enemy of our Constitution.
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