Posted on Dec 6, 2016
This has been a topic for years. Will the APFT ever change? How fast would it be implimented?
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SSG (Join to see) physical is important no matter how old one gets. What we do to maintain it may different. Mental fitness is also important.,I am more than the number of push-ups or pull-ups or mileage I can cover. I chose to dance for cardio, range of motion, and keeping my body as healthy as possible. My mind I keep agile through reading, discussion, and constant therapy as well as engaging in on line conversation.
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Many years ago when I attended the Army's Master Fitness Trainer Course they indicated at that time that the sit-up is probably one of the worst exercises for your back. Also I believe even then the Army was the only service that incorporated it into their APFT. I retired in 2014 but I'm pretty sure it's still part of the APFT!!
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It will, but it will still be unfair. All soldiers should have the same standards. Except the Special ops, then all special ops soldiers should have the same test standards. Age, rank and gender should not alter the standard. In combat it takes the same amount of strength to survive no matter the age, rank or gender. If you can not pass it, pack it. NCO's if you can not lead from the front, tighten up or find a new occupation.
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I've always found it to be lacking in "real life" relevance along with the height and weight standard. Through all my almost 3 years I've been towards the bottom of the pt score list but when it came to putting a rifle in my hands with armor and a ruck on my back I vastly outperformed those pretty boys who scored around 300...obviously something needs to change.
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I was Active duty for 14 years and National Guard for 12 more. Seen the APFT change exactly once. 1979 or 80 don't remember exactly which but it went from 5 events to 3.
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I thought they had changed to include pull-ups and other exercises, but I guess not. Pushups, situps, and the two-mile run goes from before I enlisted in 1988.
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The APFT should go back like it was in the early 60's. The Push-Ups, Sit-Ups and two (2) mile run is doing nothing to improve the Soldier from endurance in Combat. The Run, Dutch, Jump, 40 yard Crawl and Mile run should be reinstated.
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It think that our major commitment to our wartime is winding down (I hope) and we are settling into a more garrison or peacetime military. Suddenly things that were overlooked while we were deployed are important again like marksmanship, physical fitness, height/weight, legal issues etc. So mid career officers need to seem useful so they are trying to find ways to be relavant as the commander isn't as likely to be wounded or killed on post as he might downrange. I remember asked my squad leader once how important my ability to make my bunk was to my skills as a soldier and a medic if we went to war. His response was to smoke me bacause he didn't have a logical answer. In short our (hopefully) peacetime military needs a way to occupy a service members time other than sitting around waiting for the next war...
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SSG (Join to see) I agree that the current APFT might have nothing to do with actual combat, but in my experience in the Army, most units have a laundry list of Soldiers that cannot pass this simple test......so my question is: are we going to lower the standards so all of those that struggle with the current APFT could pass? Or are we going to have a fitness test that actually measures what you need to do in your MOS and possibly have even more failures?
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SFC (Join to see) - Yes, but the standard is only a standard because that is what we were trained by. It's a hard concept to be flexible and agile, and goes against our long standing traditions even if there is a consensus that the PT standard is arbitrary. We are loosing Soldiers to KBR because of it. I'd much rather have a Soldier next to me with a gun, even if he's out of shape and overweight, then the same individual next to me overweight, out of shape, and unarmed.
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MAJ (Join to see) So, if we relax the APFT standard for some MOS, what's next? Relaxing weapons standard because it's more important for those Soldiers to do their job than to know how to fire a weapon? Not wear uniform so they could feel more comfortable while doing their shifts?
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SFC (Join to see) - Weapons standards were never even, No one cares in most MOSs if you qualify because you are only allocated 49 rounds a year. In fact I've never seen anyone outside of Basic Training get removed from the military due to inability to qualify. I also deployed to MNW West after only shooting 49 rounds, if you qualified you were done.
It's a money thing, is it more efficient to have your nurse's on the range as much as a ranger regiment? You do bring up a good point. Should a Ranger be able to stay in the Ranger Regiment if he can only hit 23 out of 40 targets with his M4/16? You illustrate a perfect example why a single standard for the services is a horrible practice.
It's a money thing, is it more efficient to have your nurse's on the range as much as a ranger regiment? You do bring up a good point. Should a Ranger be able to stay in the Ranger Regiment if he can only hit 23 out of 40 targets with his M4/16? You illustrate a perfect example why a single standard for the services is a horrible practice.
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1SG Harold Piet
we need one that actually measures what you need to do for your MOS and 11B because we are all infantry to start with.
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