Posted on Apr 11, 2014
SSG (ret) William Martin
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<p>Please share your feedback!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>o Be in the rank of Private First Class with 18 months time in service (TIS) and 3 months time in grade(TMIG) (AR 600-9-19)</p><p>o Be in the top 10 percent best APFT score in the squad</p><p>o Have earned 390 hours of computer based training (Army Correspondence Course - ACCP), Distance Learning (DL) and Army e-learning courses -No Sub Courses) </p><p>o 6 credit hours of college (this is too easy- get your military experience converted to college credit by taking one or two classes)</p><p>o Be qualified on all applicable weapons
o Be proficient in job field at current level by recommendation from supervisor.

What do you think? Also, I just got kicked off the computer so I had to edit this on my phone.
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I think the one thing no one mentioned includes demonstrated ability or demonstrated potential to perform at the next greatest rank.  I see far too many NCOs, soldiers, and officers who view a PVT, PV2, PFC, and SPC in the same light.  The Army did the same with rapid promotions.  Ultimately there are Soldiers who receive waivers due to the above criteria without demonstrating the required potential and or performance.  SPC's are junior Noncommissioned Officers.  They should perform at the level of one before they are waived for promotion. 

Additionally, it is unethical and against regs to take into account a Soldiers home situation and how the extra 40 bucks could help them.
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What if that Soldier is in a squad of 5 people and they are the only one able to pass a PT test but have a lower score than those failing it? 180 can pass, 259 can fail!
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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I think it depends a lot on job performance and the actual job.  Across the board waiver requirements for rank won't work in all MOSs... especially given the number of E-5s & E-6s currently in the Army.
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CW2 Jonathan Kantor
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That's not to say your requirements are good or anything.  They make a lot of sense.  The one thing you left off was being good at their job.  If I have a PT-stud maxing out every time but can't do a single requirement, there is no way I will give them a waiver (Or recommend one).
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This is my criterior for consideration for waiver from PFC/E3 to SPC/E4:
SGT Bryon Sergent
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Thought that the Army done away with waivers for promotion????????
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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When sitting in those meeting with the Company Commander I would prepare my list of who is eligible and know when it pretty much turns into automatic.  If a guy was on his 23rd month, as SPC was given at 24 monthes then, I would turn him off from giving him a wavier if someone was sitting at 20 monthes that was also doing the same thing.  I judged first the knowledge of their job and accountbility, their military bearing, PT, and assigned task.  I would also consider family life at home with the amount of support that they are expected to provide.  Sometimes its amazing how much an extra $40 dollars a paycheck can help a family.  I think if you sat down and did a 30 min analysis on everyone's situation you'll establish your best judgment and get it right, just be prepared to discuss the facts with your PL and 1SG if it's going to be a surprise to them with your response.  You should be able to lay out the facts in the meeting and be able to justify your list against other sections to procure that wavier.

 

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</font><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Calibri">SFC Jolly I see some very flawed logic here. Accelerated Promotions
should be merit based. Promoting the second best because the most qualified
will make it soon, I do not understand because you have now made the less
qualified senior to the best qualified. The point about advancing a Soldier
based on his Family Life and expenses how does this have anything to do with
performance and potential?</font></p><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">

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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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SGM When I was a PSG I had 42 junior medics, in which 30 were from AIT.  These guys tracked each other a lot so things like PT scores and performance were on par with one another.  Some might have went airborne in route too, which gave them two - three months more TIS.  At the point of discussioning 3-4 waivers available for a company where 22 were eligible I had to bring about all points to get my deserving guy the waiver.  The 1SG was always looking at PT and anything negative in the record. 

When I looked at it I wanted longevity from the Soldier, if one was promoted in Apr vs May at 20 months TIS over someone that was on the mark too, but had 23 months TIS I would give it to the younger guy.  The great thing about the E4 rank is Corporal, in which you can pick your leaders.  My end state was to get as many Soldiers to E4 so they would not get as much slack in their line units.  The race to SGT was a time when they really had to show seperation from their peers in many different aspects, in which that showed itself with time. 

I guess I was lucky in the aspect of having a platoon that essentially all were not over weight, pt score was 283 avg, and training was not an issue for the junior Soldiers.

So SGM, it's not that I didn't take into account their daily performance and accolades, I just leveraged the conversation inside the meeting so I would be able to get as many waviers as I felt was needed for my guys.

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I understand that rational for this approach however I maintain that it is flawed. The Soldier that goes to Airborne School in route and therefore has more TIS is passed over even though he has an extra skill set and has accepted an extra challenge he is left behind. Yes if you promote the bottom person each month at the end of 6 months all your Soldiers will be SPC as opposed to promoting from the top and at the end of 6 months only half your Soldiers are SPCs. Just not sure that is the message we want to send to our Soldiers.

 

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