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Just wanting to see what other military members, whether active or veteran, think about the players kneeling
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They're utilizing their First Amendment right - which we took an oath to support and defend. I really don't give a crap because my oath is not to a flag and not to a song. They are not disrespecting anyone who is serving or has served when they do this. It's peaceful protesting. They do it at that time because it's a high profile moment.

I think a lot of the outrage is faux outrage honestly.
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Maj John Bell
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SFC (Join to see) - Or is it? I thought they were protesting so that I would think about it, so that I would discuss it with my children and grandchildren.
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Maj John Bell
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SFC (Join to see) - So how often would you go back to a restaurant if the waiter took a couple of minutes upfront to remind you and your grandkids of PETA's position on eating meat, that the veggies you are eating are provided by migrant farmer's and the table linens are washed in industrial laundries that use huge quantities of fresh water. It just last for a couple minutes.
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Sgt James S.
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A lot of the outrage on the part of the "protestors" is faux outrage, to be honest. For many, it's just an excuse to engage in looting, destruction, and wanton violence. Many of the people being hurt by it are black--all while the mob chants "black lives matter."
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Sgt James S.
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CPL Joy Downs Hart doesn't like the truth, it seems. Oh well.
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They have every right to kneel for the national anthem because we live in a constitutionally protected republic that secures their right to do so. I don't agree with it, but I absolutely support their right to do it. If I didn't, everything we did and everything we said while in our country's service counted for nothing.
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Maj John Bell - Well the NFL reversed their opinion on the kneeling and the NBA lets them. So suck it up buttercup.
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Sgt James S.
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SFC (Join to see) - They don't have to suck it up, though. They have the right to call it stupid and boycott the team/league if they want to. The NFL and NBA caving to idiocy out of a misguided attempt to placate the idiots doesn't change the fact that it's still idiocy.
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Maj John Bell
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SFC (Join to see) - I've kept my side of the conversation polite and respectful, both toward you and the players who protest, please extend me the same courtesy.

I understand that the NFL reversed its decision. I don't have a problem with that. It is their choice to make. It most certainly is not a place for government to intervene No matter what decision they made, they were going to make someone unhappy. That is why my initial comment says:

"The owner's have to make a business decision, what will hurt them worse; benching people or allowing political activity while representing the franchise." Just as they have a right to make a choice, so do I. When I want to watch a sporting event, I usually go to a high school game.

I made my decision about professional sports a long time ago, well before this controversy raised its head. I haven't watched an NFL game since the Vikings lost to the Raiders in the 1977 Super Bowl. Love Baseball and Basketball, to play, not to watch. When Traverse City had a Tier II Junior A ice hockey team I went regularly. Then the franchise was sold to New Jersey.

I'm not in favor of celebrities, particularly affluent celebrities telling me how to be a better person, or what my social views SHOULD be. I don't like it even when I agree with them.
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SGT Lou Meza
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Thank you SSgt. Tony Lamb for saying it like you did . That’s exactly why we put on the uniform. To protect and defend their right of freedom of expression .
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I don't like it. I don't agree with it. But it's their right.
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Sgt James S.
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SFC (Join to see) - The pics identified as inappropriate in your memes almost entirely portray people abusing their work space to engage in political protests on the job and on the clock. Yes, that is not appropriate behavior in the workplace, so there shouldn't be any surprise that it gets a negative reaction. People are free to engage in protests on their own time.

Rioting, looting, illegally blocking traffic, and threatening or assaulting innocent people just trying to go about their business are not legitimate forms of protest.

When protesting, people *should* make an effort to match their protest target and message to the identified issue. Kneeling during the national anthem has zero connection to allegations of police brutality by a few bad cops--it DOES send a message of disrespect for the nation and those who serve.

Saying that "it never seems to be the right time for POC to protest" is just dishonest. Nobody is stopping anyone from engaging in peaceful (and legal) protests on their own time. When it comes down to it, people aren't paying big bucks to attend sporting events to see millionaire athletes engage in political protests--let alone do it in a way that most people consider disrespectful to the nation as a whole.
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Sgt James S. - What are you talking about? What pics are identified as inappropriate? A protest and an award ceremony are work places?

When did we start talking about rioting and looting? That's not protesting although I do understand why POC are getting to the point of they don't give a fuck and are tearing shit down. Nothing else seems to be the "right way."

This is about kneeling during the anthem and you took it to another level.

No it's not dishonest to say it's never the right time for POC to protest because it is never the right time. They peacefully protest "not like that" they go into the streets "not like that" what the hell do you expect to happen?

Yes actually people are being stopped from peacefully protesting quite frequently in thel last few months. A majority of these protests start peaceful and they only turn violent when some police forces come in and start attacking protesters. I've seen video of it happening in real time. All over. People are live streaming protests from start to end.

The kneeling lasts however long the song lasts. Two minutes? So you're not paying to watch them kneel. Unless you leave after the anthem...

You just prove the point that it's not the kneeling that bothers people. It's the reason why they kneel because people want to just ignore it.

I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Not a flag. Not a song. I don't know what your oath said but mine didn't include those things.

And the kneeling started after he talked to a veteran about it. What I see here is a bunch of vetflakes honestly.
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Sgt James S.
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SFC (Join to see) - So you don't even understand your own memes? If I explain it, are you going to then whine about me "mansplaining" things to you? *eyeroll*

The vetflake here seems to be you, because people saying the kneelers are ridiculous and disrespectful rather than sending a valid message of protest really bothers you. In the end, it's the people who are paying to watch the games whose opinions matter, because they're the ones funding the teams--and people are mostly against players engaging in political protesting at the games.
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Sgt James S.
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SFC (Join to see) - since customs and courtesies protocol requires standing and rendering a salute during the anthem, it's pretty laughable for any veteran to attempt to argue that kneeling is not a sign of disrespect. Whether you call it a protest or not, it's still disrespect and it's something that you can be punished for if on active duty. Go ahead and pull that stunt in formation and see what happens to you.
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