Posted on Aug 24, 2015
MSgt Curtis Ellis
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Thousands of people paraded shirt-free around the world Sunday to push for laws that would allow women to go topless in public; allowing women to go topless where ever men are allowed. What issues do you foresee if this is approved, And are you for or against it? Oh, and please be civil with your replies as I'm really curious as to what you think about this, thank you!

As far as I'm concerned, I would be against it due to the immature goobers who may see this as an opportunity to "take it a step further". I do understand why the challenge for equality, I just don't think this is one that should be pursued, as doing so will only appeal more to the predators... Also of note, there are some guys and gals out there that really just don't look... "aesthetically pleasing (?)" going topless...
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MSgt Aaron Brite
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I see no problem with topless equality where appropriate. A breast is a breast and a body is a body and it time for American puritanical restrictions to fade out. I believe more equality and less "sensationalism" surrounding the body would improve dismal behavior to date by immature men toward women.
That said, it must be where appropriate and far to many men doff when they should don their shirts.

As for bra's, don't ever burn them! Damn things cost a fortune! Donate them or squirrel them away for when you need them. ;)
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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MSgt Aaron Brite LOL! Good answer!
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Capt Mark Strobl
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Starting to sound like my father here: You're not at the beach --so, go put on a shirt! Equality-schmality... Dress appropriately and you'll be taken more seriously.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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Capt Mark Strobl LCpl Mark Lefler Gentlemen, just for the sake of it, If "topless" were allowed, what would you consider "appropriately dressed"?
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Capt Mark Strobl
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Situational driven (to LCpl Mark Lefler's point): If at a "topless beach," no problem. If walking down the boardwalk, on the way to the beach, maybe. If cruising the grocery store to pick up stuff for your picnic at the beach, no.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
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Capt Mark Strobl - i think it is also situational... In a grocery store, I don't think its appropriate for anyone to be topless. I think any place a man can be topless so can a women, but while that is a bit subjective because technically a guy can be legally topless anywhere, that doesn't mean its appropriate for a guy to do so. Places I think its ok, though probably not inclusive would be a beach, boardwalk, hiking in the woods, sitting in ones backyard, jogging, boating.
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SGT Dana Williams
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We apparently are now living in a world where "common" is prohibited! Common decency, common courtesy, and common sense!
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Is there a such thing as common sense? If it was so common, everyone would have it.
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Why not? They've changed the restrooms in some places already. What the he'll next?
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Must have been something wrong with the men I served with, they did their best to afford privacy for us females.
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SSG Audwin Scott
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This is a question for females to answer, of course us men will say hell yeah!
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GySgt John Olson - Till your little girl or grand daughter says the man at sink (in the bathroom) said something to her that made her uncomfortable. Also need locks on the stalls.
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MSgt Daniel Attilio
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Privacy? We don't need no stink'n privacy!
Only problem with this at the local mall is that there are some serious weirdos out there.
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SFC Joseph James
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What's wrong with breasts anyway? I like them, Lesbians like them, babies like them. Breasts are universally loved! We should have a National Topless Day! Show 'em if you Got 'em! lol
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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LOL!
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SSG Ronald Williams
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What "equality" advocates fail to consider is that men and women are "wired" differently. Women should be treated and rewarded equally, there is no argument there. The majority of men, whether by design or evolution, are far more visually stimulated than women. Do women have the right to go topless, sure. Are they prepared for the consequences, no. You also have women that complain that men treat them as sexual objects and they are not taken seriously. I don't think they would be running out to go topless anytime soon. Equal rights yes, but men and women will NEVER be equal physically, emotionally, sexually because they ARE NOT equal in those respects, there are indisputable differences.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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SSG Ronald Williams Thank you for that point of view, and yes, I do agree.
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They want mens jobs but when the titanic goes down they sure as shit still want to be the 1st ones on the lifeboat...

EO isn't about EO its about a political way of gaining a leg up...
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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SSG (Join to see) Or a breast down...
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ba dum bump!
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i mean i'm all for boobs everywhere, but the principal...
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I'm all for equality, however I'd rather see more shirts and less skin. Not because I'm super prudish, but I'm tired of people taking their shirts off just to get attention. I know that isn't everybody, but there is a time and a place to be shirtless.
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I don't think the individuals pushing for this are thinking about the second and third order effects that this will cause. The group of people fighting for this equality is the same group that in the 90s was enforcing that a woman's chest is sexual in nature and therefore afforded special protection. Think about it. Staring at a women's chest could no longer be considered "pervy" or sexual harassment. Hanging up pictures of bare chested women would no longer be considered a hostile work environment. Commenting on a woman's chest would be the equivalent of discussing a man's. Touching a woman's breast would no longer be considered sexual assault.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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MSgt (Join to see) "second and third order of effects" I think you nailed it.
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
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Where did we did we get this idea that knights were some how respectful of women? It doesn't seem that way historically. Chivalry had a great deal to do with fighting wars than it did with how to treat people. A courteous person is one who has respect for themselves which carries over to manners and politeness. These things are often what we observe as missing in contemporary culture. Likely because techknowledgy has made direct interaction awkward. The less we interact as a society the less we learn how to adapt to each other needs. Its almost scary.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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Technology, now there's a whole new conversation altogether! LOL!
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MSgt Michelle Mondia
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MSgt Curtis Ellis - This posted here sorry.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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MSgt Michelle Mondia - No worries! :)
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Not only chivalry, MSgt Michelle Mondia , but the whole concept of a gentlemen class, too. Gentlemen were rarely gentle in the current meaning. "Gentle" meant gentile.
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1SG Chris Davis
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Reading through all the comments from my perspective most of you are correct equality is equality, pervs will be pervs, and immature dudes will be just that immature.

As i am not a religious man, I can state that this is where most of your not so equality will come from:

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame. after partaking in the forbidden fruit Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Religion will always play a factor in in-equality from the easiest going to the most strict of religious groups and their interpretation of the scriptures.

As i am not trying to strike a nerve with anyone, this is just a perspective that i had not seen demonstrated so far in this discussion.
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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1SG Chris Davis Though I am more spiritual than religious, I do understand your perspective, and from that perspective it would seem that since they both realized they were naked, then essentially, though not physically equal, they were both mentally equal in each other's eyes... So, how do we get back to that mentality? Thank you for your comment and perspective.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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1SG Chris Davis, MSgt Curtis Ellis, it was when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they realized that they were naked. Young toddlers today are also oblivious of their nakedness, but become aware of it as they mature and gain understanding. This is simply part of human nature.
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