Posted on Oct 22, 2020
Under the First Sergeant Barracks Program, AR 420-1, is it allowed to move an SM to different barracks multiple times?
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I am learning about the FSBP and had a few questions. Is there anywhere in black and white that states you cant move a SM for convenience? We are coming back from a deployment and they are placing four SM in a different barracks in a different footprint because ours are at capacity, but they stated that in two months they should have room and will immediately move the SM back over. I believe that is a question of QOL(quality of life), the Soldiers do not mind the other barracks as they are nicer, and would prefer to stay over there. I have dove in to AR 420-1 and cannot seem to get a clear answer on it, any help?
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This type of thing happens before and after deployments. When you have so many bodies shuffling it takes a little time to get things orderly as intended. If the barracks are at capacity there aren't many options. Being moved into a permanent barracks after two months isn't really a QOL issue unless there is a health or safety issue some where in there like mold.
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In Korea, specifically Camp Humphreys, units try to keep their Soldiers in the same barracks, and for smaller units, on the same floor. This makes locating people easier, as well as such things as assigning barracks/floor clean-up rosters, Floor Sergeant responsibilities, etc. Having each unit in a separate barracks can also lead to having pride in where you live, which can lead to cleaner and better maintained barracks.
Don't fight this. This is not the hill to die upon.
Don't fight this. This is not the hill to die upon.
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I’ll be succinct:
Can they move you? Yes. Will they do it for pleasure? No.
Leadership manage barracks space and personnel assigned to them according to capacity, health and welfare, and operational conditions; e.g. deploying, redeploying, etc... The fact that you like a building more than other will never be taken in consideration.
Can they move you? Yes. Will they do it for pleasure? No.
Leadership manage barracks space and personnel assigned to them according to capacity, health and welfare, and operational conditions; e.g. deploying, redeploying, etc... The fact that you like a building more than other will never be taken in consideration.
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Yup they sure can...coming back from a deployment I moved 3 times in 4 months. Don't take it out in the barracks Managers most of the time they are dealing with entirely different units to help house soldiers.
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1. Yes they can move you if they need to. 2. You say your barracks at full, so what do they do- put them in tents on the quad? 3. QOL is not an service problem as long as billets are clean, free of mold/health issues. Hell be glad you don't have any WWII/Korea barracks around. 4. Is it inconvenient- yes, but it is a short term solution to the problem. 5. If you are smart you do not ever try to tell a ISG how to run his barracks, unless you are a really lofe being the problem child.
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SGT (Join to see)
thank you SGM, i was just trying to het as much clarification for my Soldiers as possible.
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I believe you answered your question when you said the barracks were at capacity -- good luck
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SGT (Join to see)
in the FSBP 2020 handbook 2.1 paragraph two says "Units must avoid swapping rooms and arbitrarily moving Soldiers to maintain unit integrity(below the brigade-level) as this affects Soldiers' QOL and causes unnecessary wear and tear on facilities, increases management workload, and can impact utilization reporting." Although as far as I am tracking that is not policy, so i just had wondered if that was in an AR or TC anywhere.
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CSM Chuck Stafford
SGT (Join to see) - It seems that this was not an arbitrarily made decision -- if you are concerned about stabilizing the QOL for an individual/individuals, create an OML to prioritize those soldiers moving back. Sounds like your 1SG is fixing the situation per his handbook as fast as he can. Roll with it -- you vcould be in a tent for the sake of unit integrity ;-) I jest, I hope your leadership wouldn't go that far... If you have a suggestion with more meat on it, then bring it up to your 1SG... he'll appreciate your proactive initiative -- good luck
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